Let's not forget Brexit

Oh Davis has just u-turned. Apparently he was talking hypothetically so today presumably it is pothetically (is there such a word) is it even possible to talk other than hypothetically when talking about Brexit?

jura2
It seems David Davis isn't the only one to change his mind.
On Tuesday @ 20.38 you said that you would have to pay £500 a month for health care.
Today @ 15.13 it's gone up to £900 a month.

Mostly I agree - and I am retired. Anyone who is working must find it so difficult.

How on earth can you expect to keep up and make sense of it, given the fact that the government is in total chaos over the whole thing?

Is it just me or can everyone else keep up with the Government's Brexit intentions? Within 24 hours decisions seem to be reversed or qualified. Yesterday I thought a meaningful parliamentary vote had been promised, then hours later, Davis says no parliamentary vote until after Brexit! What's the point of that?

May says two year transition period (or implementation period as she can't be seen to copying Labour policy too closely) keeping all the same terms as now, then we find out that's not possible under EU rules.

Citizenship, settled status, permanent residence ???? No idea!

I don't know if gransnetters are clearer than me about what is happening? I can't keep up!

jura just read your post - all that as well!!

Watching the news and Davis. (By the way where is Czechoslovakia. What an idiot)

So he has now thrown more oil onto the fire by suggesting that there will be no vote on brexit until after we leave.
So what about governmental promise about a meaningful vote? This begs the question then - what is actually going to happen on Mch 31 2019? Davis seems to be suggesting that we will be leaving without any deal in place. Is this the cliff edge or perhaps brexit won’t mean Brexit after all?

Mamie- again we are lucky as we both have double nationality (I am British since 1974). So no issue for us on this front- but the two killers are the exchange rate (now about 60% down from when we bought the house in 2007 and moved in 2009) - and the potential loss of reciprocal health care, that would cost us about £900 a month on top of loss due to £ falling.

David Davis's comment today is really serious. Beau- what does 'get back control' mean- when this GVT is going to brush aside centuries of Parliamentary Democracy and not allow our elected MPs to vote on final deal -until we are out of EU? (never mind the fact we have sold all essential utilities to foreigners, including the EU)...

DD's comments today could well (and I hope it does) unite Labour, Lib Dems and the Greens in order to save BRITISH PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACY. or we 'get back control of EU' - and destroy centuries of Parliamentary Democracy to put control in the hands of a few dictators with vested interests (tax evasion) - progress, really?

Have just got the fifth tax return paperwork and have the bills for the house for twenty years - went to the Mairie and they sort of said to now wait and see what does happen - hopefully the young man in the Elysée Palace will come up with something soon!!

It was a lot of stress and effort WW. ? We were going on to try for nationality but need a bit of a breather.....

I am jealous of your little card*Mamie*!!!!

That's fine POGS. I think health cover and identity cards are the main reason for the difference. It is an insurance based system and an employer pays 100% of salary again in social insurance charges, pensions, health etc. This means that if you want to be treated you have to be covered and for better or worse it isn’t easy to come by.
I know many people object to identity cards, but I have no problem with them and am proud of my little resident’s card with my fingerprints and photo embedded in it. ?

Mamie

Thank you for your polite reply to my question.

I am just about to go out for the day so I will take in your comment and hopefully if I ask you a further question it will be taken in the spirit of my genuinely trying to understand where the UK is maybe different or could go down the route of.

Thanks

POGS, in answer to your question, I can only answer for France. We were not obliged to register when we came here, but we did so at the local Mairie, who were well aware of our presence (but we live in a small community). We were obliged by law to register for tax purposes from the day we became permanent residents. We had to register for health cover and prove how we would pay for that. We have a health card which is checked and charged at all medical appointments. We are obliged to carry full ID (passport for us ID cards for the French) at all times and that is checked by the gendarmes from time to time in roadside vehicle checks. Any formal financial transaction requires ID and proof of residence such as an electricity bill. We have now got permanent residents cards and that involved a huge dossier proving health cover, residence, tax payments and sufficient resources (there are minimum levels) over a minimum of five years.
I think in a big city it might be possible to live under the radar for a while, but any involvement with authority would very quickly expose people who were not resident “in a regular fashion”. I don't know how many people get deported, but they would have no access to housing, schools, doctors or hospitals, which might amount to the same thing?

Who was it who mentioned it before on Gransnet?
It was debunked quite regularly on here, wasn't it?

I suppose you all know about the Coundenhove-Kalgeris plan?

silentcircle.co.uk/the-pan-european-project-coudenhove-kalergis-plan-to-destroy-the-european-people/

'Barking' and 'boxes of frogs' come to mind...

Well there you go Beau. You are shocked that people totally disagree with your point of view. Is this a new feeling because if it is, where have you been? There is a split in the country. It exists.

I agree Beau ( no idea who your ‘colleagues’ are supposed to be?)
But there are certainly many pro Brexit supporters on GN, just are there are those who think otherwise.

www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/no-deal-brexit-cost-north-13800600

Clever. If the government disputes these figures, they have been asked to produce their own to show where they are wrong.

They won't, of course.
There will probably be similar articles in your local papers.

infacts.org/brexit-brain-drain-is-mays-stupidest-move/

Free movement of people may not be a problem. We can accept the free movement of people in EFTA when they are mainly moving the other way. It's net migration that counts.
If EU citizens don't want to come here and don't want to stay here there is no problem.

beau we’ve been through this with another of your colleagues not very long ago.

I'm really shocked to read these posts - I am ecstatic that we are getting out of the EU with its Coudenhove-Kalergi plan and globalist nightmare scenario of a future. With Austria and the Czech Republic now electing anti-EU governments it can only be a matter of time before the whole organisation crumbles - and not a day too soon.

Ohjura what a horror this all is. It’s like the worst sort of nightmare

Mamie 'You can't be resident in France without the means to support yourself J2.'

oh I am so so aware of this - same applies here of course. Our pension income has dropped by 50+ % over last 8 years due to exchange rates alone. If £ tanks another 20%, as predicted by serious financial advisors-and we lose reciprocal healthcare and have to for ou £500 a month each - we are done for.

Like 1000s - a return to the UK will be the only resort. For many, without savings, without somewhere to live, and with increasing health care costs, perhaps OAP residential care. I'm sure they wil be very welcome by the NHS and for council housing. (we are lucky our house is saleable- we would get a great exchange rate t'other way round and we have a small property in UK - so we are indeed lucky. Most I know who live in France or Spain are in a very different position). Courage x