Let's not forget Brexit

www.theweek.co.uk/brexit/89210/what-could-trigger-a-second-brexit-referendum

Nothing Tegan2. Damage limitation.

What do you mean tegan

Also my thoughts on a second refer3ndum are honestly very negative. There was sooooo many lies told last time and I simply do not trust either the media or politicians to tell the truth. Most people are not like people on this sort f thread and couldn’t care less about politics, but do vote, and if all the information they get is from tax evaders and loons being bankrolled by extremely dubious people, I think I would rather throw in my lot with parliament and trust that they act with integrity and for the good of the country rather than their political career.

We are on a hiding nothing aren’t we?

Going nowhere in the hope that eventually we'll end up in a position that's not too much worse than where we are now [if we're lucky, that is]. What on earth have we gained from all this stupidity and disruption? I despair. We're like hamsters on a wheel...

The gutter press have unleashed a monster on this country...

teganOh I see you- absolutely agree. That’s exactly how I feel.

We've got back control, don't you know...

Be very careful what you're saying, Tegan; it could be interpreted as sneering

You are all saying just what I feel. But I know, I just know, that when it all goes ... in the wrong direction, the very same people who wanted 'their country back' will blame everyone else for the outcome.

At least Gina Miller has been named UK's most influential black person.

Powerlist 2018 publisher Michael Eboda said he was "proud" about the number of women on this year's list. He added: "Gina was a shoo-in this year for number one, Brexit is the most important political event to happen this century.

"Gina's role in ensuring a sovereignty of parliament was recognised by the courts has been monumental and has set a precedent that will last hundreds of years."

Yes I just saw that on the news gg I have always found her very impressive.

Gina Miller is a very brave woman and a wonderful role model. She has been unrellentlesly attacked by the brexit brigade and their mindless followers and has stood her ground. If only we had more like her.

Agree re Gina Miller, very articulate and committed. Funny that brexiteers are hoping that everything remains pretty much the same as we are now. ( except no furriners obv)

I am quite shocked that some of the brexit supporting GNetters characterise all of us who want to remain in the EU as lefties.

We knew an eminent former Tory MP in his eighties, who told us, just before the EU referendum, that if the Leave side won he would never vote Conservative again.

He was a very decent principled man who felt he had been badly let down by David Cameron. He died just before the last general election and so never did vote Conservative again.

There must be many like him who feel betrayed by their own party.

Whitewave, I am surprised you think:
'I think that the free movement could definately be got around.

It would be perfectly sensible to say that those entering the UK must find employment within 3months or even before entry. I am sure that it would be acceptable to the EU.'

We have just been through that experience in Switzerland. There was a referendum inn feb 2014, to limit immigration. It was approved by a TINY majority (less than 1 %- even closer than Brexit). Ever since then, the Swiss Gvt has been trying to implement it as a referendum is binding in Switzerland. They reached a total impasse - the EU saying a very firm NO- either you have single market, or you don't. The price to pay (apart from lots of money and NO say) is Schengen and Free Movement - end of... If they agree for one, they will have to agree for others - simple.

Will not need to get around free movement if nobody wants to come here or stay here.

infacts.org/brexit-brain-drain-is-mays-stupidest-move/

You can't be resident in France without the means to support yourself J2.

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/august2017#main-points

jura that’s my theory up the swanny then. Back to the drawing board. Mind you we are in a different position to Switzerland .

Just seen mamies post - so perhaps it is possible.

Repeated question over several threads I know but here goes. .
Again I ask this question re the EEA/EFTA being proposed as 'the route to take'.

How can you be a member of the EEA/ EFTA , when it means you have to abide by the 4 Pillars/Freedoms , the ‘four pillars/ freedoms’ of the European Union ?

The 4 Pillars/Freedoms are the freedom of movement of goods, people, services and capital over borders.

The Free Movement of People is the issue and the Labour Party and the Conservatives have said the Free Movement of People it will end.

The EU has stated we " cannot cherry pick" and the 4 Pillars/Freedoms are 'non negotiable".

Switzerland had a vote to reduce immigration recently but was told it had to 'toe the line' and accept the Free Movement of People. It did.

Unless the EU shifts it's position , totally unlikely, it is either disingenuous or naive for anybody to say we can be a member of the EU/EFTA/EEA and stay in the Single Market as things stand.

Workers’rights of movement and residence
Directive 2004/38/EC introduces EU citizenship as the basic status for nationals of the Member States when they exercise their right to move and reside freely on EU territory. For the first three months, every EU citizen has the right to reside on the territory of another EU country with no conditions or formalities other than the requirement to hold a valid identity card or passport. For longer periods, the host Member State may require a citizen to register his or her presence within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time.
Migrant workers’ right to reside for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions, which vary depending on the citizen’s status: for EU citizens who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and having sickness insurance. EU citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a period of five years of uninterrupted legal residence.

That might be acceptable with a bit of tweaking mamie

The government has as I said above recognised the need for migrant labour, sonwe can’t be too far away.

This has been enforced in France.
Ultimately though EFTA does involve the four freedoms but not the ECJ. As I said before, North sees EFTA as a medium-term interim stage to avoid the WTO cliff edge.
Seems financially prudent to me.

Mamie

Please accept my post as a genuine question .

I have asked this question a few times before concerning Directive 2004/38 and never had a reply from anybody but you may know .

How does a country that has no ' registration ' facility for anybody entering their country , in this case EU citizens, know how many EU citizens enter the country at any one time, know whether they are financially sufficient , know the length of time they are in the country or whether they have a job in the 3 month period?

How do they then find the EU citizens that have extended their 3 month stay and have insufficient funds, no job and subsequently ask them to leave.?

I don't understand how it can possibly be implemented.