Let's not forget Brexit

I was in OZ in 1992 and the people there considered that they built no cars as the number produced was so small compared with the numbers sold and on the road - the imports from Japan were by then ramping up.

I do realise that as Toyota seems to be the vehicle of choice but Toyota did produce cars in Australia too.

At one time over 475,000 were employed in the car industry in Australia; in 2015 towards its end nearly 170,000 personnel.

But if you went in 1992 perhaps you know more than me about it.

Let’s face it, we won’t be importing cars from Australia.

Obviously my Australian family know nothing Jamila.

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See above, the UK certainly was given a lot of leeway by the EU - they had the best deal of all members.

So true, jura, but unfortunately not enough for lots of people. We didn't have enough sovereignty - which probably means we were not thought of as being the most important, and we can't have that!

Just watching on the news that British milk is being exported to China. How ridiculous.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/10/30/why-cant-we-have-honest-elections/

Or honest referendums.

durhamjen
Why ridiculous? They have a good product and the Chinese want to buy it. It's called trading. They are also selling to Qatar.
What you forgot to mention, was: the piece to camara said that the Chinese would rather deal with one country ( us) rather than 27.

Can't you see it's ridiculous to send a product like milk all the way to China?
That's sad.

Don't you care about the effect on the environment?

I did not understand the chap to actually say that - but even if he did a tiny country like the UK would be easier to deal with than one with more clout such as the EU.
It is a tad ridiculous when in the same report they say how much dairy products the UK imports from Europe.

Exactly, Welshwife. It just seems ludicrous to me to import and export stuff like milk, particularly when we are in the situation where we do not know about taxes because of Brexit.

What struck me about the milk to china story was that the farmers were saying that Brexit had opened up this opportunity for them. But, of course, it's nothing to do with Brexit.

We are still in the EU and our dairy farmers could have been exporting milk to the middle East and China any time they wanted to.

I find it quite incredible that they can earn more by exporting to China than by selling in the UK but it's not the EU that's keeping milk prices low; it's the supermarkets.

As for the carbon footprint, I should think it could go to China as a backload. After all we import almost everything we buy from China (well, that's what it seems like when I go shopping...) so there must be some transport returning practically every day!

There was a story a while ago about how Norwegian salmon is shipped to China to be tinned and then brought back to be sold in European supermarkets, because it's cheaper to do that than tin it nearer home. Globalisation would seem to have some down sides.

On the other hand, those working in the Chinese canning factory are probably better off than they were before the factory opened.

Re milk to China, is this a relatively new 'outlet' for British milk? I know that in parts of South East Asia milk simply did not feature in human diets until very recently. Was that true in China too?

China is a major contributor to global pollution. But then, if we’re shipping products to them for canning, as one example, and buying Chinese goods (eg steel) because it’s cheaper then all this industry comes at a cost to the environment. It’s these industries that are contributing to China’s huge carbon deficit, and we are partly to blame.

Baggs I’ve read that in many Asian countries the populace can not tolerate lactose after childhood. In China it was estimated at 90% compared to 14% in the USA and 4% in European countries. Yet oddly enough China is the 3rd largest producer of milk.

Because it has the biggest population?
It's the middle-class Chinese who want western milk, not the subsistence farmers.
It's the largest producer of wind power in the world, as well as solar and hydro.
Strange how it only ever gets mentioned in terms of pollution, not renewable energy.

"On Tuesday he hinted he's expecting to have to compromise and face up to the 60 billion euros the EU is demanding for the Brexit bill. "The withdrawal agreement, on balance, will probably favor the union in terms of things like money," he said. Roughly translated, this means the U.K. knows that leaving will be expensive."

Davis has at last faced up to reality. If he wants things to move he has to agree to what the other 27 want.
A bit mealy-mouthed, but he's got there in the end.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-01/brexit-cuts-u-k-household-incomes-by-600-pounds-niesr-says

Thanks, Brexiteers.

I am still trying to work out why Australia deciding to manufacture or not manufacture cars is anything to do with Brexit. Enlightenment would be welcomed.

Davis will have to face reality and that is going to be very different to what was said during the referendum. Parliament MUST then have a right to vote on what is the truth of the situation.

I am still trying to work out why Australia deciding to manufacture or not manufacture cars is anything to do with Brexit. I wouldn't like you to spend too much time worrying about it GracesGranMK2
It was an aside in response to a post about trade deals between the EU and Australia and a trade deal between the UK and Australia.

Perhaps I should have put in a disclaimer, mentioning that it was merely a comment and not meant to be run with
and certainly not intended to flame.

It was interesting what you said about milk exports to China, djen, particularly in light of Anya's observation - I was going to comment that, as far as I was aware, dairy produce is not a part of their diet and many lack the enzyme lactase.

In your view- why is the GVT refusing to publish the studies on the likely impact of Brexit on industry, financial services, jobs and taxes, etc, etc. ?