Let's not forget Brexit

In my view those who voted to leave are clueless how to proceed. It isn’t going well, but undoubtedly the brextremists are desperate to keep that from the voter, or blame the EU.

It is a joke. We voted to leave, the EU begged us to stay, warning that it could never be a good outcome for us for the most obvious reasons. We then chunter on about how the EU demands its money and poor little us are trying the best we can?. Dear oh dear.

Would Parliament be brave enough to put the good of the country over "the will of the people"?

It would mean the downfall of the government (assuming the conservatives are still in power). It would be easier for a fresh Labour Government perhaps? Or a coalition?

Rang the UK today to arrange for our EHIC cards to be renewed. They said they were very busy at the moment, lots of meetings- and it could not be done currently!!!Yiiikes - so is that the beginning of the end?

Spain say British expats' health care will be paid for- but by whom? At the moment, it is a reciprocal agreement. Here in Switzerland, as retirees with UK only pensions and no income- we are also covered by reciprocal agreement- we have to the first 300 CHF, then 10% up to 700 CHF - per year- then the UK picks up the tab, as this is where we hve contributed and paid taxes all our lives.

You raise a good point, mostlyharmless. IMHO it is the duty of our Parliamentarians of all sides to be brave enough to stand up and say that a decision is wrong for the country and its long term wellbeing even if it is as a result of a referendum (not binding) and the 'will of the people'. I am not holding my breath on this one though. It takes a strong group to defy the popular press.

Impact assessments being discussed now on parliament TV.

Anna Soubry giving a brilliant speech now.

Yes dj I was about to say the same. Very passionate and eloquent.

I’m on holiday can’t get it

Any brextremist arguing for the information to be released?

Probably they will dismiss it as “project fear” and not believe it as it isn’t part of the mantra.
One of the hallmarks of intelligence is being able to change your beliefs when presented with contrary evidence so don’t hold your breath.

Not so far.
Suella Fernandes talking about the need for secrecy.
Anna Soubry obviously thinks she's not a grown-up in the house.

Only abvout a dozen Tories in the house.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/01/electoral-commission-to-investigate-arron-banks-brexit-donations-eu-referendum

About time, too.

Apparently as Labour have used a humble address, the result from this debate should be binding.
Tories are supposed to be doing their usual and abstaining. If they do that on a humble address it really will show distain for the population.

Rees-Mogg is saying it will be binding.
Does not allow for redaction.
Saying that the opposition should have asked the brexit committee for permission to have this debate. What?

infacts.org/cant-may-honest-eu-trade-deal-will-take-ages/

I bet Fox wishes he hadn'y been given this job.

infacts.org/fox-flounders-eus-trade-deals-66-countries/

Yes re Fox, I read that -as far as I can make out so far he has obtained zero for the U.K. post Brexit.

The Arron Banks Electoral Commission investigation seems to have legs.

Yes read that as well!! Banks seems to be saying “bring it on”

Bravado? and possibly the knowledge he has deep pockets for lawyers.

Yes I thinks it’s bravado or sheer bleeding arrogance

Whitewave
Under eu law we aren't allowed to sign any trade deals. We can have everything in place ready for signing on the doted line come March 2019.
Neither us, and certainly not the eu should be privy to these very sensitive negotiations.

Re. Arron Banks. I think we all know that nothing is going to happen. All sides were guilty, so it's tit for tat, that's why he's laughing at the accusations, but the legal procedure has to be seen to be doing something.

petra yes I know that, but Fox has been trotting all around the world trying to get the heads up about future trade deals and has achieved precisely nothing to date. In fact he has been warned by many countries that they are not willing to risk their existing trade deals with the EU.