Why are we leaving?

Nobody said anything about killing people!!

They are trying to kill us all, ck33. Even the Brits are Europeans, so everybody tells us.
Are they going to kill my Spanish and Danish family first?

A debate about Brexit on Channel 4. They have just said that they have spent weeks trying to get a Tory to come on the programme, but nobody will. It's a panel of remainers.

whoawww! These Europeans are really evil....I understand now!

There's no such race as European, therefore you cannot commit European genocide.

Yes, Coudenhove-Kalergi plan is very scarey, Welshwife. In his book Practical Idealism 1924
he stated, "The man of the future will be a mongrel. The people of Europe should interbreed with Asians and other non-white races, to create a multiracial population, with not a clear sense of tradition of identity and therefore easily controlled by the ruling elite.
The idea to create a European superstate will be done slowly and incrementally in small steps so as not to alarm the public.

Coudenhove was behind the EU ideal, Europe Day, the Eu anthem
and influenced the design of the EU flag. He has a postage stamp commemorating him in Austria, yet we never hear of him and his book is banned in Germany. Why??
Every two years there is a Kalergi prize, officially known as The Charlemagne Prize is given to the person who has contributed most to European "Unification".
Previous winners are Angela Merkel, Herman Van Rompuy and (rub their faces in multiculturalism) Tony Blair.
The Eu is trying to carry out the greatest genocide in history, of all Europeans.

I see that WTO rules are finally hitting Home. Not before time-prior to the seeing the light Brexiters like to say it was project fear. Not so cocky now are they?

Noticing that it's the usual rant developing on this thread, the one unbacked by evidence but verging on hysteria and declaring people unpatriotic if they disagree with the 'make Britain great again' mantra, I'll just point out that if you do your research properly you'll see that the Coudenhove Kalergi plan is a conspiracy theory based on the work of a right wing theorist who died 45 years ago.

As Churchill said 'the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter'.

The CK plan sounds as if it written by the KKK !!

The rules at the outset were among other things, that you had to have a certain level of finance before you could join. Originally only the UK, Germany and Italy met the criteria -oh sorry, France just scraped in. Whatever happened to that? Some of the countries that joined have never been at that level - think of the bale-outs that have been sought.

when the veto is withdrawn
The eu have been threatening Hungary for yonks now but nothing happens, why is that? I think most of us know why

The veto could not be withdrawn. However, if we change our minds and vote to stay in you can bet we will not have such favourable terms.

Ive read about the Coudenhove Kalergi plan, very scary.

It's not just about hard facts. I realize It's also about emotions. The way we want to be. How we feel. Our life experiences.

Talking about preventing war: it was not the EEC(EC,EU) that has done that but NATO.
The UK has been paying in as has Germany but the majority have not paid in, just drawn out.
That unloved, unwanted Luxemburger wants The EU to control everything. If we stayed in our laws would no longer matter as either the ECJ or the EU would overrule them.
The EU does need to be reorganised (reconstituted even) but with 27 members that is very unlikely to happen. At some point when the veto is completely withdrawn one or more of the members will revolt. Getting 27 members to agree on everychange is a gamble too far.

So what are your views now on trade and border controls Day6?
How do you think, for example, border control will work outside the Customs Union? There is now, in practice, about a year to put in place new physical infrastructure, create new computer systems, recruit vast numbers of staff for customs officers and border control. How can anyone who has had experience of managing projects think that this can be done in the time?
How can the UK develop trade agreements to replace what it already has with the EU? How can food supplies be assured?
I don't claim superior knowledge but I do try to keep informed from all manner of sources (including leavers like Richard North) and nothing gives me any confidence in the ability of the UK government to manage a smooth transition.

It would seem Germany are over 80 billion in the black. It works for them. We would want to stay in if it worked for us. We need more trade to make our pie we share bigger. It's not going to happen being just in the EU. We are addicted to importing from them. It's ridiculous to think we don't already pay a tariff. We have a subscription under another name. Catalonia want independence from Spain to think nation states would work well together in a federal Europe is not realistic. A good trading deal is all we need with regulations if enough.

Thanks for that video, ygg.
I bet most of those commenting on here have not looked at it, though.
It's a shame it wasn't available before the vote. It might have made more people pause.

How many people still think that efficient lightbulbs were imposed on us by the EU?

Day6 It must be obvious to everyone that the UK will suffer financially for years as I said. It takes very little to tip an economy over the edge as a hard Brexit would.

Where are the new trade deals coming from? Not one overseas trade deal pursued seems to be coming to fruition and anyway finalising negotiations for new deals will take up to ten years.

Several Banks and car companies are planning to move their operations to mainland Europe so lots of jobs will be lost.

Are you planning to pick fruit and vegetables when European immigrants don't work here anymore?
Who will staff our hospitals and care homes?

Greta, "we were known as the poor man of Europe"

Yes nearly 50 years ago. But Germany were given this label in the late 1990's because of its economic problems and then Germany slipped into recession in 2003
Italy was attributed this title in 2005
Portugal was given this nickname in 2009
Finland has been called this in 2015/16
Nearly every country in Europe has been labelled in this way.

So your worry about GB going back to 1970's is foundless.

mamie - It is true, Day6 that nobody can predict the future, but it is possible to make a reasoned judgement based on the available evidence.

I agree mamie. Those who felt it best to leave the EU also had to weigh up the evidence before them, look at other sources, articles regarding globalism, trade, governance, border controls, democracy etc, and decide how to vote.

Remainers would have us believe they had a superior knowledge. They didn't. They preferred the status quo.

Not one of us had guarantees of anything regarding the future - whether we stayed in the EU or not.

Both ways was a gamble. We all got a vote.

It could be the best decision we have ever made. Who knows?

You have a chip on your shoulder! We will be fine, not only find but great when we leave. We will still have people coming over from Europe to work and people here already are welcome. We don't dislike Europeans we just want to choose our own destiny.

Is it my "chip on my shoulder" or is Bambam putting me back in my place?

Welshwife As you say, Churchill may have had the original idea but, in one of his speeches, he also said “We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.”

I arrived in this country in the 1970's before we joined the EU. We were known as the poor man of Europe. Being born and brought up in Sweden I was amazed how backward the Brits were in so many ways. We did, of course, then have control of our own affairs. My worry is that I can see us going back to where we were, i.e. the poor man of Europe. Is that the prize we are willing to pay?