Why are we leaving?

There is a petition asking for us to be told the results of that audit.

Here:

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200634

Good grief this trashy government doesn’t hold back does it?

JRM disgracefully criticising the civil service- something that parliament never does. Crass and dishonest.

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Labour will vote against a no deal. So I don’t think the government will get it through?

Any ideas anyone?

There is a petition asking for us to be told the results of that audit.

Someone has carried out an audit, whitewave. Those are the papers that the government will not let us know about.

When I asked our NFU rep about farmers' votes in our area he said it was about 50/50 Leave/Remain.

I know that the few farmers I know all voted to Remain.

This was a trifle ironic, I think:

James Forsyth‏Verified account @JGForsyth Oct 1

Tories have sold conference advertising to the Port of Dover which is using it to warn of 17 mile queues there if there's no Brexit deal

twitter.com/JGForsyth/status/914456504425738240

Why doesn't the Daily Fail print threads like these I wonder?? C'mon Daily Fail...I know you're watching. I DARE you to print this one....

So how will UK farming subsidies sit with countries like the USA NZ Argentina etc?

Customs checks to take place inland says Hammond. Does he know what he is talking about?! So illegal immigrants will have perhaps 5 miles to get off the lorry before border checks. Illegal goods/smuggling has the opportunity to off load the goods before the checks. On and on it goes. 16000 trucks a day just through the two docks, paperwork at present taking roughly 20mins. The tunnel has about half that amount with paperwork taking about the same. If there is a problem then it can take hours or days. That is what is seen as a seamless system before Brexit and all the accompanying bureaucracy and cost.

Someone needs to carry out an audit as to the cost of this foolish enterprise.

I think the Welsh hill farmers were not so convinced of the benefits of leaving. Ceredigion and Gwynedd both voted to remain. However they do both have a university town on their patch so that might have swung it.

Huge 'leave' posters in farms all over Yorkshire when we were there. Seems we are going to export a lot of tea, cakes and jam but wondering where, in this country, we grow tea ....

I see farmers' incomes are likely to be halved unless there is a free trade agreement with the EU as part of Brexit.
www.ft.com/content/cd9323b8-ad0e-11e7-beba-5521c713abf4
Farmers in my area were surprised by the "remain" posters in our windows before the referendum, as they were all convinced we should leave. I imagine most will be regretting it now. They (mainly small dairy/beef farms) have been struggling for years anyway.

Hammond might want to be sacked - it will get him out of a problem.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/headlines-pile-pressure-chancellor-pre-budget-public-services

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/brexit-no-deal-customs-white-paper

Not ready for a no deal.

More May problems:
Legal advice saying Brexit can be reversed shows Theresa May's huge strategic error on Article 50

I needed to go and do that bit of research because what he says is quite shocking but I do feel ...

More to do with how the government is managing things than actually leaving perhaps.

I'm not sure what page you're on, GG but yes, that's him.

I think I found a bit more Maizie - is he the one who is the a founding member of The Leave Alliance do you think? There is a bit at the bottom of this page with a picture. What do you think?

This is Richard North, GG

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._E._North

This is his blog (40 pages of blog titles archived here) :

www.eureferendum.com/archive.aspx

It starts in June 2015 but he's been actively anti-EU since the 1970s

I don't know much about Pete North, apart from what I have seen of him on twitter. The second commenter on this 2015 blog seems to have worked out some biographical details:

jonworth.eu/a-response-to-pete-north/

It sounds as if what the EU did to Greece we are doing to ourselves. So much for 'austerity' keeping it from happening.

Who is Pete North Maizie? Is there a biog of him anywhere.

I just wonder how many older people would survive all that but, even if it's the worst possibility it is a possibility.

We need a four day week as well.

www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/need-4-day-week-tackle-multiple-crises-work/

I just feel helpless.

Is there nothing we can do to stop, or at least soften, Brexit apart from signing the odd petition?

I read that piece earlier today - really depressing reading - why on earth would ANYONE think that was an OK possibility?
I see also today that TM has said she cannot guarantee EU citizens can remain in UK if there is a no deal. That would fit in with the skeleton health service the North fellow talks about.

And house prices will fall. That means the younger generation will be able to get on the "housing ladder".

If they have a job.....