Why are we leaving?

Back to wartime economy, keeping hens in the back yard, digging for victory, subsisting on soup and potatoes.

Oh no even eggs were rationed weren't they?

Well we won't be spoilt and self indulgent. That's good!

This is what is needed.

www.opendemocracy.net/neweconomics/its-time-to-nationalise-bae-systems/

This was first mooted in 1976 by Lucas Aerospace. Maybe its time has come.

Yes I read that. Wonder how they will sell that to the great British public. Probably got contingency plans to entirely blame Europe

Well, someone on Richard North's (he's Pete's father, I believe) blog said that the ration books have already been printed...

What the hell is this government up to?

Given that there is nothing practical being done with regard to a no deal -has it occurred to anyone that there might be food shortages?
Perhaps we ought to start stocking up.

Being positive, mostlyharmless.
Obesity will decrease?

I can't wait!

Well that's a relief!

At least there will be a new cultural revival springing from the starving youth.

During the ten year recession.......

Sounds a bit like Uber, crush opposition, then raise prices.

Do you think it's a spoof, Maizie? Why do we need to be cleansed?

Nothing to say really maize

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This is a most extraordinary blog post by Pete North, a long term Leave campaigner and formerly respected by both Leave and Remain voters for realistic and well thought out proposals for how to achieve leaving the EU.

He's now saying that to leave with No Deal will be a complete and utter disaster for the UK but that's fine because we'll come out of it cleansed and vastly improved by the experience.

Here's just a taste:

In the first year or so we are going to lose a lot of manufacturing. Virtually all JIT export manufacturing will fold inside a year. Initially we will see food prices plummet but this won't last. Domestic agriculture won't be able to compete and we'll see a gradual decline of UK production. UK meats will be premium produce and no longer affordable to most.

Once food importers have crushed all UK competition they will gradually raise their prices, simply because they can. Meanwhile wages will stay depressed and because of the collapse of disposable income and availability of staff, we can probably expect the service sector to take a big hit thus eliminating all the jobs that might provide a supplementary income.

Across the board we will see prices rising. There will be some serendipitous benefits but nothing that offsets the mass job losses. We will see a lot of foreign investment dry up and banking services will move to the EU. Dublin and Frankfurt. I expect that house prices will start to fall, but that's not going to do anyone any favours in the short to mid term.

peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/i-dont-like-this-brexit-but-i-will-live.html#disqus_thread

Comments are interesting to read, too.

It strikes me that this is not a great deal different from Remainer predictions; which are always dismissed as fanciful.

Blimey we live in interesting times!! It is astounding what will happen if no deal.

The pilots union BALPA have warned today about cancellation of flights if no agreement.o

Fox being outfoxed.

infacts.org/brexiters-trade-dreams-going-smoke/

Do you think the government will take any notice of Sweden and Norway about border posts?

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-ireland-border-customs-norway-sweden/

Bits of Yorkshire at prosperous but a lot of the money will come in from people either working in the cities or London. The jobs in many of the areas - to do often with tourism - are not that well paid. I certainly would be happy for it to have more autonomy though.

Did anyone else see the bit on 'Breakfast' this morning about Yorkshire having more autonomy?
We are in Yorkshire at the moment and it all seems to be very prosperous with shops and restaurants busy. Not all the money can be in London!

I suppose he can refuse to take another job but he surely cannot refuse to go if the PM says go?

Looking forward to this, GracesGran.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-sack-theresa-may-just-say-no-phillip-hammond-a7989786.html

The man who won the economics prize wrote a thesis on the fact that humans don't act rationally.

theconversation.com/why-richard-thaler-won-the-2017-economics-nobel-prize-85404

That could fit on so many threads here.
Certainly Brexit shows that.

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Just watching the DP and the guest of the day has suggested that Theresa May should be putting a high level cabinet minister, with proper resources, in charge of preparation for a 'no deal'. Could I suggest this is an ideal job for Boris?

CJ said " Essentially the EU with the ECJ wants to take over all our legal system meaning we would no longer have our own laws."

This is totally wrong. The word is subsidiarity. Laws are made at the level they are used for. Councils make bye-laws, which are enforced in Magistrate's courts. National Governments make state laws, which are enforced in England, Scotland, France etc according to the powers given to their courts.
And the EJC deals with matters that affect more than one country within the EU. So what you said above is MSM nonsense

There's one thing, I can't imagine any other EU country wanting to go through this at the moment. They will all wait and see what the outcome is for the UK before they even suggest a referendum.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-10/brexit-threatens-dover-with-massive-traffic-jams