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I don't get this

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Welshwife Sat 07-Oct-17 08:14:19

Most employers have employees medical insurance as part of the salary package. The very large companies tend to have much better schemes than the smaller ones. They sometimes have several levels of cover which allow the employee to chose the level they opt for or the employee can sort of top up their own insurance.
DS works for a very large company but he has to contribute money to some of the bills too - very complicated. Things like dental braces cost a fortune - thousands of dollars - and they tend to put them on children at a very early age.
He considers his insurance to be good - much better than when he worked for a smaller company for a few years.

whitewave Sat 07-Oct-17 08:00:49

Trump has made it a personal mission to absolutely clean the slate of all things Obama, regardless of its worth.

No wonder there is such division in that country.

Baggs Sat 07-Oct-17 07:53:14

It seems employers in the States pay into their employees' medical insurance policies. It seems that until Obama changed the rules employers could opt out of making contirbutions to certain aspects of medical insurance, basing the opting out on their own personal views about contraception. I think the medical insurance covered abortion where it was deemed necessary.

A lot of people include abortion and morning after pills in the general title of "contraception".

My interpretation could be factually wrong and I'm happy to be corrected if it is.

maryeliza54 Sat 07-Oct-17 07:38:06

I don't get your point Baggs can you explain a bit more?

Baggs Sat 07-Oct-17 07:33:38

TBH, I think the reverse ruling (Obama made it inclusive) is more about access to abortion rather than contraception.

maryeliza54 Sat 07-Oct-17 07:31:59

As is preventing access to contraception as happens still in many countries

maryeliza54 Sat 07-Oct-17 07:30:48

Well obviously contraception is a personal responsibility - using it that is. Providing it is a whole different issue.

PamelaJ1 Sat 07-Oct-17 07:21:17

Thank goodness for the NHS then.

Baggs Sat 07-Oct-17 07:07:47

Yes, there's that too. I think it just shows what a mess medical cover is in the US. I knew that already so I shouldn't be surprised at details which prove it. Hey ho.

Jane10 Sat 07-Oct-17 07:04:03

I always saw contraception as a personal responsibility.

Baggs Sat 07-Oct-17 05:39:38

Medical insurance provided by employers not a good idea then, at least not without cast iron protection from employers' personal beliefs.

Before anyone attacks that, it is not an attack on employers' personal beliefs. Of course they can believe what they like but they shouldn't be allowed to use their personal beliefs to affect the lives of their employees, which is what this opt out facility seems to be encouraging.

Nannarose Sat 07-Oct-17 01:31:20

Yes, it's because most US citizens rely on medical insurance provided by their employers. During the Obama administration, they were obliged to include contraception in this. This proposal means they can back out. That leaves people either seeking private contraceptive advice or using the patchwork of charities that may help.
Some of us remember when contraception was not part of the NHS remit.

maryeliza54 Fri 06-Oct-17 21:52:07

And of course if you then get pregnant, abortion rights are under threat. However, abortion is fine for some anti abortion politicians in some circumstances....

www.cnbc.com/2017/10/05/anti-abortion-lawmaker-rep-murphy-resigning-after-reportedly-asking-mistress-to-end-pregnancy.html

maryeliza54 Fri 06-Oct-17 21:45:55

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-birth-control-health-insurance-requirement-obama-roll-back-latest-a7987016.html

FarNorth Fri 06-Oct-17 21:45:41

Employers can opt out of part of their workers' health insurance?

maryeliza54 Fri 06-Oct-17 21:42:53

Bet JRM thinks it's fantastic news

maryeliza54 Fri 06-Oct-17 21:42:05

Yes it is - it's utterly shocking, isn't it, that they will be able to make this choice.

Baggs Fri 06-Oct-17 21:38:57

I'vs just seen this tweet by Associated Press (@AP):

"BREAKING: The Trump administration will let more employers opt out of providing no-cost birth control for religious, moral reasons."

What I don't 'get' is what employers have to do with their employees' birth control. Is it to do with medical insurance?