I don't get this

Yes it is - it's utterly shocking, isn't it, that they will be able to make this choice.

Bet JRM thinks it's fantastic news

Employers can opt out of part of their workers' health insurance?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-birth-control-health-insurance-requirement-obama-roll-back-latest-a7987016.html

And of course if you then get pregnant, abortion rights are under threat. However, abortion is fine for some anti abortion politicians in some circumstances....

www.cnbc.com/2017/10/05/anti-abortion-lawmaker-rep-murphy-resigning-after-reportedly-asking-mistress-to-end-pregnancy.html

Yes, it's because most US citizens rely on medical insurance provided by their employers. During the Obama administration, they were obliged to include contraception in this. This proposal means they can back out. That leaves people either seeking private contraceptive advice or using the patchwork of charities that may help.
Some of us remember when contraception was not part of the NHS remit.

Medical insurance provided by employers not a good idea then, at least not without cast iron protection from employers' personal beliefs.

Before anyone attacks that, it is not an attack on employers' personal beliefs. Of course they can believe what they like but they shouldn't be allowed to use their personal beliefs to affect the lives of their employees, which is what this opt out facility seems to be encouraging.

I always saw contraception as a personal responsibility.

Yes, there's that too. I think it just shows what a mess medical cover is in the US. I knew that already so I shouldn't be surprised at details which prove it. Hey ho.

Thank goodness for the NHS then.

Well obviously contraception is a personal responsibility - using it that is. Providing it is a whole different issue.

As is preventing access to contraception as happens still in many countries

TBH, I think the reverse ruling (Obama made it inclusive) is more about access to abortion rather than contraception.

I don't get your point Baggs can you explain a bit more?

It seems employers in the States pay into their employees' medical insurance policies. It seems that until Obama changed the rules employers could opt out of making contirbutions to certain aspects of medical insurance, basing the opting out on their own personal views about contraception. I think the medical insurance covered abortion where it was deemed necessary.

A lot of people include abortion and morning after pills in the general title of "contraception".

My interpretation could be factually wrong and I'm happy to be corrected if it is.

Trump has made it a personal mission to absolutely clean the slate of all things Obama, regardless of its worth.

No wonder there is such division in that country.

Most employers have employees medical insurance as part of the salary package. The very large companies tend to have much better schemes than the smaller ones. They sometimes have several levels of cover which allow the employee to chose the level they opt for or the employee can sort of top up their own insurance.
DS works for a very large company but he has to contribute money to some of the bills too - very complicated. Things like dental braces cost a fortune - thousands of dollars - and they tend to put them on children at a very early age.
He considers his insurance to be good - much better than when he worked for a smaller company for a few years.

Why is it such an issue? Medical insurances with different levels of cover apply here in the private sector. Contraception is a personal choice, plenty of affordable solutions out there, is it too much to ask people to think about it for themselves?

When cost is an issue all health services have to make choices, just as the NHS is doing now and Trump is offering to Americans. Stop being so hysterical about him and thinking everything associate with the T word must be bad.

I aso think it is a poor criticism to mention JRM, no one knows what he thinks about this, all we know is that he is a Catholic and adheres to his principles, are peope not allowed principles anymore? We live in a democracy which means we have to encompass all sorts of people and viewpoints. RM was very clear on television, his principles are his, he seeks no changes in the law, meanwhile others are trying to raise the ime limit on abortions which aready kill approaching 200,000 babies year because a woman's right to murder has been enshrined in law here.

I despair of the 'Obama was better mantra' too, he did very little apart from turn up and be black and cool.

I never cease to be amazed at the socially conservative who want to impose their views on others through legislation rather than allowing people to make their own choices - or, to be more accurate - socially conservative men who want to impose their views on women.( unless it's their possibly pregnant mistress who then of course must have an abortion)

radical I think you would be better named reactionary.

you can't compare private health care cover here with employer health benefits in the USA which is the main way that many Americans get health cover at all. The change that Trump is bringing in is absolutely nothing at all to do with cost - it is pure ideology. I think it's also extremely bad form to accuse people who don't agree with Trump of being 'hysterical' given your ranty post

Just noticed 'woman's right to murder' - how absolutely disgusting, uninformed and hysterical is that?

radicalnan
I couldn't agree more. Well said.

"We live in a democracy.... all sorts of people and viewpoints" - well said radicalnan.
I think you're unfair about Obama though - didn't he improve his golf handicap?