EU wants us to pay 89 BILLION divorce charges.

The Brexiters simply don’t get it do they?

The EU is nothing more than big market that makes life simple and fair for our businesses to thrive.
In order to do so there are rules drawn up. The U.K. has largely been in agreement with these rules as they have progressed along the years.
Where the U.K. hasn’t agreed we have opted out . The EU has nothing to do with our domestic law nor is there ever any intention to do so. Greater integration may indeed be on the future table, but once again members will have the opportunity to opt out, if they so wish. My bet is that the U.K. and Denmark would be two of the countries to do so.
Some Brexiters seem excercised by what they see as the potential European Army. Once again believing hyperbole as opposed to facts. Europe has always cooperated with regard to defence, why not? But an army is not being proposed, but even if it was presumably the U.K. could opt out if it wished. Keeping the member countries secure to continue trading is what it is all about. Nothing more.
Simples isn’t it?

Everything else is rubbish which the Brexiters seem to believe regardless of facts. It is absolutely bizarre.

But you complained earlier you couldn’t vote for the 27 other countries MEPs ? We aren’t ruled by Brussels btw. Less than 4% legislation is from EU. Terrible things like clean beaches, electrical safety, gender equality etc. We have plenty of our own laws like the bedroom tax, universal credit etc that are all homegrown. British People have been voting for British governments the whole time we’ve been in the EU quelle surprise.

I've just renewed my EHIC card. The new one expires in 2022, do they know something we don't? or is it just wishful thinking?

Well I never the Empire has gone. Who knew .

I don't want to vote for the other countries MEPs I don't want to be ruled by Brussels that's why I voted leave. I want British people in the UK to vote for a British government and who ever gets elected I will respect the democratic vote because it will British people deciding who they want to govern them unlike some who will not accept the referendum vote.

I dont understand it,"Iwould like my country back" can you explain why you think its not in your control...FACTS please not the nonsense we gor at the referendum.Britain has ALWAYS had control of its borders,the free movement has been great for Brits living abroad as well as us with a workforce we wouldn't have had and desperately need .The EU ISN'T in control of laws thats WESTMINSTER ,the EU has only control over a very small % ...and usually things that do more good than harm.Like employment laws and Human rights .God help us all when Westminster has no curbs on what it does The Empire is goneFirecracker and it wont be returned in a parcel when Brexit happens.

You didn't answer the question - why do you want to vote for all the MEPs when you can't vote for all MPs?
Presumably if your favoured candidate doesn't get elected - you can still criticise /comment on the other party's policies and campaign against them? And vote again in 5 years time.

No durhamjen I don't want to be in the EU full stop, but yes I would like my country back.

No problem at all with the voting system in Britain and when the new constituency boundaries come in it will be even better. I can vote for my local candidate but if he doesn't get elected I would be upset but would respect the wishes of my fellow Brits.

So you wouldn't mind being a member of the EU provided you have complete control over it, Firecracker?
Sounds like you want the British Empire back again.

Like you can vote for your constituency MP but not the other 600+ MPs - is that a problem?

Yes we can vote for our MEPs but not for the other 27 countries MEPs.

You didn't really answer my questions, CJ which were:

What do you think they used 'our money' for, CardiffJaguar?

What would you have wanted them to use 'our money for'?

I'll add another one. What do you think we paid a membership fee for?

(I do actually know what the money was spent on; you only have to google it)

It looks like over 40% they have had to spend in the last few years!

The rest of it, and play with it they do.

This is why May should put her cards on the table as far as the EU is concerned, if she wants to leave with a deal.

infacts.org/may-ignore-tory-no-deal-brigade/

She should ignore the Redwoods and the Johnsons, etc.

1% of UK GDP the EU has to play with - how much does the UK Govt have?

Do you not vote for your MEPs, then, lemon? I do. I vote for three of them.

If you think that this government is not spending our money ‘wisely’ ( but somehow the EU is) then wait for the next GE when they may be replaced.Because that’s the great thing about leaving the EU ( well, one of many ?) governments can be replaced, they are our elected politicians, unlike the top brass of the EU, who we can’t replace, and don’t trust.

By papers, I mean manifesto papers, not newspapers.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=kgu6pFz5oxA&feature=share

This isn't the media, Cardiff. Most of it is taken from Tory papers.

MaizieD: All our payments went into the general pot to be used as the EU decided. The monies returned to us under various grant arrangements have always been specifically directed towards matters the EU decided. If we did not use all that money in the ways set out they had to be returned to the EU.

Whitewave: If you rely upon what the media put out, press mainly, then you would not know that being called the sick man of Europe did not reflect our position recovering from the depradations of WW2. Economically we were not in a bad position when we joined. Had it not been for Heath we might never have joined as Labour were against joining at that time. It is important to remember that Europe and particularly Germany and France gained substantially under the Marshall Plan whereas we had to ask for that help.

Was not suggesting anything at all Pogs. It is via UK TV that I watch the EU Parliament too - but am often informed about pertinent or interesting debates by a group I belong to - all nationalities.

I do try to be open and can see why some people are not completely happy about the EU but I have come to the conclusion that they have more thought for the citizens and fair treatment whether from Govt or employers etc than the UK Govt has had for some time. The rescinding of worker 's rights worries me when people like Gove talk of cutting red tape to make things easier.

This recent discovery of a mistake in the accounts is both odd and worrying.

And cutting corporation tax below other countries is wasting money that could be spent on the NHS and schools. Likewise the top rate of income tax.

It's wasting money on Hinckley Point too. And the "spare room tax" cost more to implement than it saved, as well as being cruel and impractical. And is Crossrail 2 really sensible while the North lacks modernisation on existing railways?