EU wants us to pay 89 BILLION divorce charges.

Yes I get that whitewave but the budgets are all set in 7 year blocks ( I can't copy a link from my phone) and this 7 year block ends in 2020.

gilly on going projects to which we are a signature is one.
Money towards the various agencies, which we have indicated we don’t want to leave.
These amongst other stuff is our liability.

As there is no idea yet of how UK nationals will be treated in the EU, they will not be keen to apply or even have interviews in the EU27, and will have to go further abroad.

For the record I voted to remain .

I learned recently that the EU budgets are calculated every 7 years . We are at the moment only 2 years from the end of the current 7 years which ends in 2020. Why do we have to pay any more money than the obligations we have up to 2020 ( plus I appreciate a reasonable amount for the undoubted inflated pensions of our own MEP's) after 2020 the EU budget would be renegotiated again without our contribution.

If we do go for a portion of projects done over the years by the EU what will we do with the newly completed Heads of the Valley Road and colleges in Wales and other projects paid for by the EU in Britain.

There is no European army being planned - if you read what the Europeans say it is closer co operation and there would still be no actual army - the detail is what matters - NATO does the troops part and has done for years. I cannot give you a link as I think I heard the speeches at the EU Parliament itself.

Everyone was entitled to vote how they wish and many of those who voted to leave have not changed their mind - but could I ask if any of you are at all worried about the job losses and companies already making plans to move away from UK because it is leaving the EU? Personally I am worried sick about it-obviously not for ourselves -but for the younger members of the nation.

It may well sort itself out in a few years but what about the youngsters at the age now iof just starting a career - just finished 3,4 or 8 years of study? There are not going to be too many opportunities for them opening up. Is everyone happy to see family members in this position needing to look for work in other countries as there will be a paucity of them in UK? I would rather they all had the choice of staying or going.

peaches we do have quite a few “assists” sitting in the U.K.

I can give you lots of examples

Flood defence is one - many of the large scale projects have only been started/completed because of EU funding
Bodmin bypass recently completed as a result of EU money.
Money directly paid to areas seen as needing an economic boost such as Hastings, Wales etc
Farmers get funding for various projects
Funding for various charities
Funding for deprived areas.

I am sure that every single person on here can point to projects completed as a result of EU funding.

And most of all is the fact that our economy benefited hugely from the single market as businesses will testify.

cardiff I have to point out your seemingly rewriting of history.

The UKs economy throughout the 50 and 60s was growing far slower than those members of the single market, we were known as the sick man of Europe. Consequently we applied and was turned a number of times to become a member of the single market. Eventually the EU caved in and we were accepted as a member of the club agreeing as one does to the rules in order to belong to the club.
The existing common market member, particularly the French were always luke warm over our membership.

I have now decided to take the long view on Europe in that it has been a matter of debate for over 2,000 years. On balance we have always gone for independence and the open sea in the end.
And yes, no deal should be on the cards but only if absolutely necessary.

Try and do the local meet ups btw then you can meet other GNers.?

A good post Peachesand I totally agree.?

May I gently equire do we also get our portion of the 'family home' ie the portfolio of property our money contributed to building over the years in our divorce settlement. It seems no discussion outside of what we owe? As a major contributor to EU funds (and yes benefits have helped our economy) the thought of a federal militia and sending our young men and women to possible war without our own government (accountable to the people) saying when, where or how or more importantly WHY?but through the whim of an unelected President of Europe (probably German or French) is unacceptable to me, as is the erosion of our national identity. Please can we keep discussion reasonable and civil no matter how passionately we feel about either side on this forum which has been so amusing, supportive and educational. I do feel I have a wide group of friends though have never met any of you yet.

The only five year old I have heard about, Maizie, was Alan Kurdi's brother who was washed up further up the beach. Alan Kurdi was only three, so you are right, it probably wasn't him.

Welshwife, both my daughters in law took degrees in the UK, and both of them had fees paid by their countries of origin, so you are right. They also had grants for living on, just as many of us did.

It is callous to use this example, as Alan Kurdi, who is the boy I assume you mean, did not die as a result of not receiving medical care in the EU.

Oh, I assumed that Jaycee was talking about another child at another time. I suppose a link to the occurrence would have been helpful.

Jaycee I made 5 points in that post and only one - the second was addressed to you.

Petra was the BBC figure all students or specifically EU ones? I had not seen that - but I know that a high proportion are not repaid as the people concerned do not earn enough within the time period to repay the loan.

UK students in EU universities go to them under the same conditions as the citizens of the individual nations - most of whom have lower fees than Uk or none at all.

What do you think they used 'our money' for, CardiffJaguar?

What would you have wanted them to use 'our money for'?

What did you expect? They wanted us to join in the first place (despite the seeming negatives on their side) and have been very happy to take our money ever since. When we leave they will be sorry and looking elsewhere for similar funds. So now they are trying to penalise us for leaving. So much for any fairness in the negotiations.

trisher. Yes I raised the sad situation of a child who died as a result of a failure to receive medical care whilst living in the EU. Should such an appalling situation be swept under the rug because referring to it will be callously described as 'using it'.

It is callous to use this example, as Alan Kurdi, who is the boy I assume you mean, did not die as a result of not receiving medical care in the EU.
He never reached the EU. He died on a Turkish beach.

I'm baffled, too, counterpoint. Walking away with no deal is pointing a gun at our own head and saying 'If you don't co-operate with my demands I'll shoot myself'

People have, from time to time on other threads, tried to point out what a 'no deal' would look like or link to informed commentators who spell it out, but all to no avail. Leavers just don't believe it.

Nezumi65 My DD is an academic. She knows better than I do what the implications are for university research. She was not at all happy about the Leave vote. But perhaps you could explain a bit more for the benefit of us non-academics.

welshwife
The BBC reported that 70% of eu students dont repay their loans. That's a good enough source, isn't it?

I'm baffled by the idea of threatening the EU with walking away without a deal. The prospect of the UK being left with nothing but basic WTO terms of trade is much worse for the UK than for the EU. We already have a trade deficit, but we have a surplus in financial services. That is likely to be hit by leaving the EU, but hit worse by leaving with no deal. Likewise much other trade.

This thread had become unpleasant as was anticipated in the beginning so I am out.

suzied Yes I was speaking in general terms - after explaining why I was not going to, again, give detailed explanations. Again, you argue in an impolite point scoring way. I can only see Leave voters here asking for a polite discussion and getting sniping superiority in response.
I am not going to go through the thread again or quote other sources where Remain voters simply rely on their assumption of their own superiority but, paddyann's comes to mind off the top of my head.

And the research that goes on in universities? What will happen to that?

Welshwife I was talking about the vote after the referendum to invoke Article 50 not the vote to hold the referendum.
I have no idea why anyone would believe Boris and his figures or Boris on anything. The man is a fool and a charlatan. I doubt that many people did believe him. I am not sure why you ask me that question.
I said nothing about EU workers. You are arguing with me on points I have not made and against opinions that I do not hold.