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Anniebach Sun 22-Oct-17 08:49:58

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/20/labour-mp-clive-lewis-apologises-for-get-on-your-knees-comment

This as the Labour Party conference , a momentum fringe meeting.

Corbyn attended Momentum fringe invites but turned down Friends of Israel invite.

Very Donald Trump isn't it?

Anniebach Fri 01-Dec-17 15:39:45

He was arrested in 1986 for taking part in a protest by IRA sympathisers to show solidarity with the accused terrorists who were found guilty of the Brighton bombing , one was Patrick McGee who was convicted of murdering five people and for planning a bombing campaign in London and seaside resorts.

Defending this Thornberry said - his position was not having open support for the IRA.

He also campaigned to change the status of an IRA murderer from Murderer to political prisoner

Primrose65 Fri 01-Dec-17 14:59:57

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Primrose65 Fri 01-Dec-17 14:59:07

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lemongrove Fri 01-Dec-17 14:50:06

tchgrin license to grill (allotment onions)

Jalima1108 Fri 01-Dec-17 14:42:16

Was Corbyn appointed as an intermediary on behalf of the then Labour Party with the IRA then?
If so, the Parliamentary LP kept that very much under wraps.

As far as most people are aware, he was always just a troublesome back bench MP for a London constituency - if anyone had even heard of him in those days.

How interesting that he was so involved in all this albeit in a 'cloak and dagger fashion' - almost a James Bond-like figure one might say.

lemongrove Fri 01-Dec-17 14:18:08

Exactly.....can’t be hidden or forgotten!

POGS Fri 01-Dec-17 14:15:27

Ah well like Dianne Abbott Jeremy Corbyn must have moved on. After all he has stated ' I have never met the IRA'.

God knows who that was 2 weeks after the Brighton Bombing he invited to Westminster?

Diane Abbott has changed her views on the IRA, after she previously claimed "a defeat for the British state would be a great liberation".

Speaking to Andrew Marr, the shadow home secretary said a quote he produced was 34 years old, and "we have all moved on".

Thank goodness there is too much information to be found to allow us to make our own assessment on Corbyn / Abbott/McDonnell et al and the IRA .

Anniebach Fri 01-Dec-17 14:13:05

Corbyn was not involved in anyway with the peace process, I asked someone who was very involved, Corby fans would be happy take credit from Mo and give it to him their mini god .

What right has any English, Scots or Welsh to say they want a united .Ireland , I want the people of Ireland to vote and the other three countries respect the vote, democracy ?

lemongrove Fri 01-Dec-17 14:11:54

He will be accredited with the introduction of sliced bread next!

lemongrove Fri 01-Dec-17 14:10:34

Corbyn likes to portray himself as a peacemaker, but had nothing to do with the actual peace process in NI, he was an insignificant back bencher with too many links with the IRA to be of any practical use.

Primrose65 Fri 01-Dec-17 14:03:34

Which is why membership of the EU provided such a helpful situation Annie where they were separate but had a unified customs and trading policy.

But the UK and Ireland joined the common market in 1973!

trisher Fri 01-Dec-17 13:29:57

Primrose65 if you imagine that there was no connection between the IRA's willingness to take part in the Peace Process in N Ireland and the fact that communication between them and the Labour party was maintained over a number of years by a number of people you are fully entitled to do so. But please note that I refered to "any peace process" not a specific one. It is a fact in peace negotiations that the first step is establishing a dialogue. It is very difficult to do this if you have constantly insisted you will not talk to any one of the parties involved in the conflict.

Which is why membership of the EU provided such a helpful situation Annie where they were separate but had a unified customs and trading policy.

Primrose65 Fri 01-Dec-17 13:15:04

trisher Corbyn didn't have any meaningful involvement with the peace process. He did not have any power to negotiate anything with anyone. To think he was part of the process is absolute fantasy. Did his conversations build any of the framework for the agreement? Were his actions those of some kind of peacemaker, or someone who deferred to the policy of Sinn Fein?
Does Corbyn engage with anyone he disagrees with in a significant way?

Anniebach Fri 01-Dec-17 13:13:55

Oh please, not the same old - he was only keeping communication lines open.

I am quite aware of the history of the IRA, my son in laws father an .Irish R.C. And his many brothers who visit us every year have taught me much . Easy for anyone not living in N I to want a united Ireland, no matter that many in N I want to remain part of this country, still they don't matter do they

trisher Fri 01-Dec-17 12:24:03

Annie as has already been said many of us believe in a united Ireland, and the IRA has a much longer history than you seem to imagine. It is possible to condemn the bombings and the violent actions of all the parties concerned in the conflict but to still support and recognise that the IRA established and maintained that belief and that working with them is much better than acting in ways which simply continue the conflict. If the connection with the IRA had not been kept open by people like Corbyn we might have had even more bombings. It's a pity you can't recognise the importance of communication in any peace process.

Anniebach Fri 01-Dec-17 12:06:01

Primrose the views and attacks of the far left here are to be expected

Anniebach Fri 01-Dec-17 12:04:37

I did not know whilst I was campaigning all those years the party was in the wilderness because voters didn't want a far left militant government that Corbyn was running a campaign to bring expelled militants back into the party, I knew he was on the left but did not know he was an IRA supporter or was so far left he was supported by the communist party. He was so insignificant a back bencher I don't recall speaking about him, was 100% committed to having a Labour Party electable and back into government, we did and won three.

Yes I know the kinnocks, yes I knew Michael Foot, yes I knew Gordon Brown .what I didn't know was the party would be run by bullies when I voted for Corbyn as leader, I made the wrong judgement , I placed my trust in a liar and the most deceitful leader the party has had in my life time.

I choose to be honest and say I made the wrong judgement , I will not gloss over his past , pretend it didn't happen, I thought he was a pacifist not a supporter of those responsible for the Birmingham pub bombings, the bombing of an elected government, the bombing of Enniskillen and with arms from Lybia

Primrose65 Fri 01-Dec-17 11:45:02

dj - that's just a personal attack on Annie. You're not going to undermine her opinions without actually engaging in them you know. The only argument you're discrediting is your own.

durhamjen Fri 01-Dec-17 11:40:52

I can believe that you didn't know, lemon, but Annie's association with Labour goes back generations.
She knows the Kinnocks, she knows the whole back story of the militants, yet she still voted for Corbyn.
He didn't suddenly become a different person, unlike Annie.

lemongrove Fri 01-Dec-17 11:39:47

Not even damned with faint praise then? grin

Primrose65 Fri 01-Dec-17 11:38:05

“When he turned up for his shoot it was almost like he was being pushed around like the grandpa for the family Christmas photograph,” said Jones during the interview. “He wasn’t particularly aware of what was going on.”

According to Jones, McGurk, was initially a fan of Corbyn’s but ended up being thoroughly disappointed with the encounter. The Labour leader was reportedly “not fantastic on detail”, being unable to remember the names of any of his own business advisors, and couldn’t name a single film he’d seen or any book he’d read this year.

What’s more, Jones claimed that even the younger members of the team were left disappointed by their time with Corbyn, who received a great deal of praise for winning over young voters in 2017.

“We sent a lot of younger members of the group that perhaps subscribe to the idea that he can turn water into wine,” said Jones, adding, “and they came back saying that they wished they hadn’t met him as they found him to be quite underwhelming”.

Yahoo News.

I wonder if the article is going to be as flattering as everyone from GQ thinks he's useless.

lemongrove Fri 01-Dec-17 11:35:26

Ar first, nobody knew much about Corbyn at all, just known as a bit of a rabble rouser and one man protest party.

durhamjen Fri 01-Dec-17 11:31:58

Of course you did. You know everything about him.

Anniebach Fri 01-Dec-17 11:29:16

No, he betrayed my trust, I did not know he was running a campaign to bring expelled militants back into the party, I didn't know he attended a memorial for Bobby Sands but not for victims of the IRA, I didn't know he was a liar .

durhamjen Fri 01-Dec-17 11:25:42

Never accepted betrayal of trust?
Yet you voted for him to be leader first time, despite the fact that all you complain about happened well before he stood for leader?
Why wasn't it betrayal of trust then?

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