Corbyns Momentum

A few followers would be nice

Of course Corbyn is a Marxist, as is McDonnell.

Your definition of Marxism doesn’t fit with any academic definition primrose and lemon

Perhaps you could define what you mean? Or is it just an opinion that can be ignored as simply wrong.

You are such an innocent whitewave of course they are Marxists and always have been.

Your definition of Marxism doesn’t fit with any academic definition primrose

What's my definition?

So you don't call me a member of Momentum, but you call me a Wolfie Smith!

Marxism doesn’t exist in its original form any more. It’s as outdated as Wolfie Smith. What is emerging is a clear divide between left and right wing politics.

Left wing as epitomised by Corbyn and right by Trump. Is one more ‘extreme’ than the other? It’s all a matter of degree and tends to folllow Newton's third law of motion, which would seem to apply in politics as much as to physics.

And I haven't worn a beret since I left school over fifty years ago.

Here's something that Corbyn is doing, setting down an EDM to try and stop our NHS from being privatised and sold off to trump's mates.

www.parliament.uk/edm/2017-19/660

See if your MP has signed it, and if not, ask him/her to do so. Then at least if more of it is, we'll know about it.

Perhaps start an NHS thread for that? The Kings Fund has done some research on them too, which people might find useful.

I don't think anyone is expecting an implementation of socialism as a precursor to communism according to a path set out in a book written in 1848.
What flavour of Marxism do you think McDonnell is talking about when he says 'I am a Marxist'?
Why does Corbyn admire Chavez?

Makevotesmatter are sending a rather large Christmas card to Corbyn - because they think he will listen.

It's to ask him to sign up to PR.
Just in case anyone else wants to sign.

Chavez died in 2013.

www.makevotesmatter.org.uk

I have just looked at the Fails report of what McDonnell said in 2013 when talking about the economic crash in 2008 primrose

As usual they are using hyperbole to claim something that isn’t true in the sense they would like you to believe.

Most economists agree with Marx when he stated that the accumulation of capital does not proceed in an orderly fashion and there are peaks and troughs which is for Marx and most economists a fundamental characteristic of the capitalist system. It is the engine if you like

Many economist would describe themselves as Marxists in the simplest of terms when describing the economic system. Much of Marx theory was not bettered, and as the science of economics has developed it has frequently used this theory as a basis, it cannot be bettered.

But to then make the jump to say that they are Marxist n the social sense is both nonsense and ignorant. But that is the Fail for you.

Sorry but I'm not sure what a Daily Mail critique of McDonnell has to do with what he has actually said.

What evidence do you have that 'most economists agree with Marx' or 'many economists would describe themselves as Marxists'. That is quite a wild assumption - is that from the Mail or is that your opinion?

I don't seem to read the Daily Mail as much as you do.

Is there a link which backs up the claim most economists agree with .Marx and many would describe themselves as marxists or is this claim an attempt to support a claim which is just a fantasy ?

OK, Marx might now be remembered as a revolutionary advocate of communism - he co-wrote The Communist Manifesto - but he was a leading 19th-century economist in the 'classical' tradition. Indeed, in many ways he is the father of Economic History, having developed explanations for the evolution of the economic structure from feudalism to capitalism. The German philosopher, sociologist and economist, who spent much of his life in London (and is buried in Highgate Cemetery), developed theories to explain why capitalist economies - which he opposed - have fluctuations and crises. However, despite his belief in capitalism's self-destructive tendencies, much of his economic thinking stands up to scrutiny. Had it not been for The Communist Manifesto, I think Western commentators would recognise more readily today his role in advancing economic thinking.

Vince Cable.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/10/03/is-boris-johnson-trying-to-review-the-nasty-party/

So the many are .Vince Cable

Here we go again, will the circle ever close?

The posters will come out who say they know 'nothing' about Momentum but have posted on Momentum for well over a year. Then you have the posters who will refuse to accept Corbyn and McDonnell are Marxists.

John McDonnell is a self professed Marxist who has also called for insurrection in the past and you can hear him for yourself on you tube.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lCcFjRhiaw

And a passage lifted straight from the Daily Mail!

x post POGS, was answering dj

The video of McDonnell is dreadful. The laughter about waiting for the financial crash is even worse. But he has certainly 'used it'.

Oh for goodness sake evidence what a load of rubbish. If you are so knowledgeable you would know exactly what am talking about.

And how can you possibly interpret what I say was refuting that McDonnell is a Marxist ? My post actually confirms it.

I should have added to my post .

Those who say they don't read the Daily Mail but post what it says.

What I don't understand is when it is pointed out to Corbyn, McDonnell they are self proclaimed Marxists for some odd reason they try to deflect from the fact they are. Likewise those who are followers of them also appear to do the same.

Why?

If you are a believer in Marx/ Das Kapital or the 'Little Red Book' , as John McDonnell produced to amusement in Parliament, have the faith to say so.

If you do not agree with Marx and Das Kapital then why are you following John McDonnel and Corbyn?

I don't understand the mentality.

Just been looking through a report on global wealth.
Marx wasn't in it once in 142 pages, but neither was economist, so I don't think you need to worry.
Stalinism isn't alive, either. It's just that young people like to believe in fairness.
So do I. I did when I was young, and I still do.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/29/young-people-stalinist-capitalism-gulag

That's why they support Corbyn and McDonnell, and the more names you call them, the stronger they become.
So carry on.
Off out now to see some young people who support Corbyn and McDonnell, but are not Momentum members.