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Anniebach Sun 22-Oct-17 08:49:58

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/20/labour-mp-clive-lewis-apologises-for-get-on-your-knees-comment

This as the Labour Party conference , a momentum fringe meeting.

Corbyn attended Momentum fringe invites but turned down Friends of Israel invite.

Very Donald Trump isn't it?

trisher Tue 24-Oct-17 11:09:00

*POGSP what is really hypocritical is pretending to discuss the subject in an unbiased and rational way whilst actually just supporting right wing ideas. Yes. I questioned the reasons for why this non-story had become front page news and thought it was because the government had no real policies, but I also discussed the language and stated why I didn't find it offensive. You seem to have overlooked this. And I never mentioned Corbyn or Momentum. It isn't left wingers who are obsessed with these things.

durhamjen Tue 24-Oct-17 10:53:14

A free press means a press being owned by Tory men who live in offshore tax havens.
Not my idea of a free press.

durhamjen Tue 24-Oct-17 10:51:33

Eddie Izzard standing for the NEC. He's not momentum.

durhamjen Tue 24-Oct-17 10:40:04

Like I said, snide as usual.

POGS Tue 24-Oct-17 10:34:27

durhamjen

I could but this is nothing to do with Brexit.

I did not say it was not 'open and above board', I remain surprised it was given a Royal Charter but so were many others probably. It has been in the news over an ' impartiality' issue fairly recently and that has been resolved I believe .

I can't help but think of ' Hacked Off' for some reason.

Eloethan.

Thank goodness ' for now ' we do have a 'Free Press' but your point re who is behind what is a concern we should all have, at least with the mainline newspapers we know who owns them.

The biggest concern in my mind is who is behind the ever increasing web sites, bloggers etc. who have taken the world of news and politics into some areas that traditional newspapers and media outlets could never get away with because of being regulated. Fake news is just the tip of the Iceberg when you read some sites who are more than content to accuse, defame spew out libellous clap trap because they have a ' core devotee ' who soak up their inane drivel and are happy to be brainwashed.

durhamjen Tue 24-Oct-17 10:31:55

Who pours money into momentum?
The membership, of course, Annie. Surely you know that.
No corporate donors.

Anniebach Tue 24-Oct-17 10:01:47

Three more places to be added to the NEC, three candidates are supported by Momentum , we will have a momentum NEC , please Corbynites and the big man himself

Anniebach Tue 24-Oct-17 09:22:18

Clive Lewis only been an MP for two years

Explains much.

Anniebach Tue 24-Oct-17 09:13:06

Wonder who pours money into momentum

durhamjen Tue 24-Oct-17 07:47:52

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/mary-fitzgerald/who-bankrolled-brexit

You could, of course, look into this. Much more important than who donated to Impress.

durhamjen Tue 24-Oct-17 07:36:36

"In our research and development phase, the IMPRESS Project was supported by grants and donations from many sources. Individual members of the public contributed to a crowdfunding campaign. We were supported by trusts and foundations including the Joseph Rowntree Reform Trust, the Andrew Wainwright Reform Trust and the Alexander Mosley Charitable Trust. And we received generous donations from private individuals such as JK Rowling and David Sainsbury.

However, as a regulator, it is important for us to put a firewall in place between IMPRESS and any donors. The IPRT grant can only be withdrawn in exceptional circumstances (for instance, if IMPRESS goes bankrupt) and there is no capacity for any donor to exert influence on IMPRESS. We believe that these arrangements are the best way to ensure that we are capable of fulfilling our obligations to the public, whilst protecting our independence.

In the words of the Charity Tribunal: ‘If [an independent] regulator cannot be established by the Government for constitutional reasons and ought not to be established by the industry itself for reasons of propriety and public confidence, then the charity sector is uniquely placed to be able to offer both the mechanism and the means by which a benefit to the community as a whole can be achieved.’ "

Sounds okay to me. No innuendo needed.
You don't need to research, POGS, it's all on the link I gave you, all open and above board, along with their membership, which includes many local newspapers, along with New Internationalist.
I'm sure you'll have something snide to say about that magazine, too.

Eloethan Tue 24-Oct-17 00:50:15

I'm not quite sure what you're getting at POGS re Impress/Tom Watson/Max Mosley, and don't know enough about the organisation to make any comment on it but according to a Guardian article:

"Impress also received a “generous” donation from the writer JK Rowling, who also donated to Watson’s deputy leader bid."

I believe the mainstream newspapers are not assured that Impress is neutral and they believe its structure leaves it open to be influenced by government. If that is the case, then, on the face of it, that seems a reasonable argument. However, given that most of our mainstream press is owned by rich individuals, some of them tax exiles, who, in the main, are Conservative Party supporters and whose newspaper editorials follow the same line, I'm not altogether convinced that we have "press freedom" anyway.

POGS Mon 23-Oct-17 22:19:19

Ah yes IMPRESS.

Max Mosely funded it didn't he. I found it unbelievable they got the Royal Charter to be honest but there you go.

I note skwawkbox and the Canary are signed up to IMPRESS. Am I correct in saying from the Guardian to the Star no mainstream newspaper has signed up yet? Happy to be proved incorrect it is an interesting topic.

Max Mosely is a generous man when giving donations . Am I correct in remembering Labour MP Tom Watson was one of those who were recipitents and received donations of ' half a million pounds ' from Max Mosely , although not in one go ? Not sure without looking it up.

durhamjen Mon 23-Oct-17 21:47:31

No, POGS, my link to skwawkbox wasn't removed for being fake news, but for a completely different reason, which HQ informed me of, and I agreed with them.
It was just some on here thought it was fake news, and I couldn't disabuse them.
Skwawkbox is actually regulated by IMPRESS.

www.impress.press/about-us/

Anniebach Mon 23-Oct-17 21:40:51

I have no more to say on this, again I am feeding the need . I agree with POGS post, but I did find the joke offensive and this is why I started the thread .

Chewbacca Mon 23-Oct-17 21:37:44

That was a very erudite, mature and intelligent posts POGS. smile

Anniebach Mon 23-Oct-17 21:30:30

wading through my old posts and copying and pasting comments which are known by anyone reading the political threads are mature ?

Thought you found this thread boring maryeliza

POGS Mon 23-Oct-17 21:29:28

How fascinating this thread is.

Personally I think Clive Lewis was just a loud mouth prat caught up in the moment and whilst saying to any male / female 'On your knees bitch' is hardly classy the 'context' of this particular scenario is being missed.

Sam Swann did not find Lewis offensive and whilst there was a voice saying 'I thought this was a safe place' (something like that) the group of people there in general laughed it of.

Why is this thread fascinating? Because the of the word hypocrisy being dished out.

Durhamjen you are making much of the fact it was a right wing blogger Guido Fawkes who printed the story but you have been a prolific poster of left wing bloggers such as Jack of Kent, skwawkbox et al. If anybody cares to look them up they are 'charmers ' aren't they. In fact some of your links have been proven to be unreliable and am I correct in saying it was one of your links that was removed as being ' fake news ' ?.

Trisher, Eloethan et al , you are as usual 'discontented' a thread was started that does not suit your left of politics view or does not agree with your admiration of all things Corbyn/Momentum and yet you are more than happy to join in on the copious amount of threads that are blatantly started to trash anything to do with Theresa May/Tories either as a party or as individuals.

Do as I say not do as I do.

Chewbacca Mon 23-Oct-17 21:24:49

During not disputing -- typo--

Chewbacca Mon 23-Oct-17 21:24:08

Truth? Eh? This thread is about the inappropriate use of language, used by an elected MP, disputing a meeting. It has been roundly condemned by many other cross party MPs; The Speaker of the House and Jeremy Corbyn. Some people on this thread didn't find the use of the word "bitch" to be offensive. Others did. Eleothan stated her views - they were no more "truth" than anyone else's views or opinions. Its heartwarming to see that you admire the "erudition, maturity and intelligence" of some posts. But they are just opinions and views Mary; they are no more "the truth", than any other posters opinion. -- how silly--.

maryeliza54 Mon 23-Oct-17 21:16:17

Having a problem with the truth? Hit home did I?

maryeliza54 Mon 23-Oct-17 21:15:39

Nope

Chewbacca Mon 23-Oct-17 21:14:05

Give it a rest Mary grin

maryeliza54 Mon 23-Oct-17 21:12:04

I hope you feel better now those of you who have had a childish, pathetic go at Eleothan. What absolute hypocrisy your posts reveal about how people should behave towards each other. Or is it petty jealousy that never in a month of Sundays could your posts ever reach the erudition, maturity and intelligence of her posts?

Anniebach Mon 23-Oct-17 20:33:11

Chewbacca, what a horrible thought, think I will settle for stalker ?. Have no idea how to look for old threads, hope Eleothan didn't have to wade through my posts on my digestive system gone wrong, grin

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