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The Vile Trump

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Anniebach Wed 25-Oct-17 10:42:50

This man has been brutal to a grief stricken young widow whose husband has died in the service of his country .

"He knew what he signed up for"

Does this apply to police officers, firefighters, as well as the armed forces ?

If we read of a person drowning trying to save a life shall we say - they knew what risks they were taking "

When we remember prisoners of war shall we say the same ?

sarahellenwhitney Thu 26-Oct-17 14:48:19

President Trumps contribution were words. Does anyone up in arms as to this contribution give a thought to the actions of others for not just the loss of this serviceman but thousands of other innocent men women children and the new born barely taken their first breath ?
Does hmm President Bush and hmmPrime Minister Blair ring any bells?

CardiffJaguar Thu 26-Oct-17 14:34:22

When he was elected I was prepared to wait and see. What I have seen so far is discouraging to say the least and downright bad a lot of the time. But he is what he is and there is nothing we can do except to sympathise with the US population.

There is a danger looming that he will create his own downfall which in turn would put Spence in the hot seat. That could be even worse as Spence knows what to do and how to do it.

Republicans have had to swing for and against in an effort to make the best of it but their party is heading into a dead end it seems. Maybe there will be a split. The only good thing to come out of Trump's election was the defeat of that awful Clinton woman and the behind the scenes she and her dreadful man encourage.

sarahellenwhitney Thu 26-Oct-17 14:04:20

Another lets hate Trump day. Doesn't take long. Were these his only words to the widow of the deceased serviceman????? ie He knew what he signed up for BUT etc etc etc. Every person who enlists is prepared to die for their country.God help us all if persons who joined up went in believing it was going to be a joy ride.

meandashy Thu 26-Oct-17 12:49:02

You can't polish a turd I'm afraid.
He's a horror story. I have zero sympathy for any stick he's getting or any of his supporters.
That poor woman won't be the last person to be hurt by his lack of common decency or understanding.

whitewave Thu 26-Oct-17 12:31:23

humpty that’s right.

The media does what the media always does.

But Trump is something else, never in American history have they had to tolerate such a problematic president, whose narcissistic behaviour is barely tolerable in normal times, but in times of threat or severe stress would be very dangerous indeed. Let’s hope there is a plan b in place.

W11girl Thu 26-Oct-17 12:30:07

I wholeheartedly agree with you Day6. The man has no diplomatic training. If we listen to our own politician's from across the parties, the majority have diplomacy down to a fine art, (barring BOJO). If you read between the lines of what they say, it is no different to what Trump would say.

humptydumpty Thu 26-Oct-17 12:15:44

The thing is, Day6, that even though I'm sure it's the case that what we here from the media is skewed, what about the output from DT himself and his press secretary? Hardly an example of truth, whole truth and nothing but the truth...

durhamjen Thu 26-Oct-17 11:49:34

Sorry, but to paraphrase Horowitz, impartiality and trump should not be seen in the same sentence, or paragraph.

Day6 Thu 26-Oct-17 11:34:53

I agree re Trump DJ, but there really should be concerns at the way the news we now receive is packaged to suit the view of the reporter or TV channel, or paper.

Given we have so many news sources and events are transmitted around the world, to so many people - everyone who has a device with a screen - impartiality should be key.

durhamjen Thu 26-Oct-17 11:24:41

Trump thinks anything he disagrees with is fake news.

Anyone who doesn't want Pence to take over should look at the Horowitz video.

I agree with you Jess, he'd be fun to have dinner with.

Day6 Thu 26-Oct-17 10:49:30

'Does it take a polished career politician to extend condolences ?'

Most people have the ability to do it and a career politician would do it easily. Look at Gordon Brown who was caught out. All flattery and smiles to the electorate but in his car afterwards, scathing and unsympathetic. Such a hypocrite but like many I feel.

Most politicians are complete fakes and I have only ever known two who were in it for the good of the electorate and not the wage packet and perks. I am sure there are more who genuinely want to solve problems for their constituents, but I suspect most are full of sound-bites and all-expenses paid lunches in the finest restaurants. I have little faith in most, sadly.

What you see is what you get with Trump.

I don't think he has any side to him. He remains a wealthy, brash, egotistical man, even as President. He shoots from the hip about all he finds wrong with America, and in it's way his bluntness, although often naive and misplaced, is refreshing. (Refreshing in that most politicians steer clear of controversy, side-step their blunders and have made an art form of never answering pertinent questions.) Trump doesn't think much. He is direct, which can be both a weakness and a strength and one rarely seen in a President.

Trump is right about Fake News though and I am glad he has highlighted the way the media puts a spin on everything. Journalists are now colouring events with their own thoughts and prejudices and this is an extremely dangerous road to go down.

Reporting facts is all we need, and an impartial record of events. That is news.

When reporters have carte blanche to determine whether someone is to be praised or condemned and to add their opinions to events, with their political spin, we are in very, very dangerous territory.

Trump has done us a favour by pointing out you cannot always believe what you hear or see as far as modern media is concerned. A reporter's view of events is not always accurate or impartial and political bias is not helpful or necessary.

Fennel Thu 26-Oct-17 10:49:19

I read about that at the time, ElroodFan
He thinks he can do as he likes there because his mother came from one of the Western Isles.
I thought the Scottish govt. were feeble in not standing up to him.

ElroodFan Thu 26-Oct-17 10:43:56

Trump not highly thought of in Scotland after trying to ride roughshod over local residents, environmental agencies and council over his efforts to build a golf course in the Aberdeenshire area. I think he believed he could do exactly what he liked when he became President.

amt101 Thu 26-Oct-17 10:21:54

I do hope all US political parties are busy planning who they are going to put forward for the next election.

Aslemma Thu 26-Oct-17 10:21:03

I can only hope he is forced out (or even assassinated) before he starts WW3. Just to see his ugly face and petulant manner gives me the shivers. It is not his lack of grace which is the problem but his total inability to see anything beyond his own prejudices.

GadaboutGran Thu 26-Oct-17 10:05:20

Two American acquaintances Of mine, one from NY and one from LA both despise Trump. However, they fear Pence replacing him even more as he is more right wing and far more politically astute. They said the saving grace of Trump is that he has no idea how to get his hare brained ideas through the political system. What an awful situation to be faced with.

Coconut Thu 26-Oct-17 09:28:26

If some gun toting nutter assassinates Trump, then we can all say “ he knew what he signed up for” !!
I agree that so many are hypocrites and after Weinstein a lot of high profile men will be worrying about their past catching up with them.
I did laugh when Piers Morgan chatted with Kim Cattrall on Monday. She said she had worked with Trump and he was bright orange and no one was allowed to touch his hair !!

JessM Thu 26-Oct-17 09:28:04

Definitely worth 5 minutes. I want to have dinner with Borowitz.

radicalnan Thu 26-Oct-17 09:16:51

Poor old Trump, anyone would think the rest of them were angels the way that man is pulled apart, for every word he says. He follows a long line of sexual predators and fiancial fraudsters and corruption into office, and yet he is the one villified at every opportunity.

I think he may have said 'he knew what he was signing up for' as a mark of respect that the dead soldier was a brave man....but hey..........manipulate a widow why not, just as long as your confirmation bias gets its daily hit.

They are all the same, wake up and see what horrors are around us. All those Hollywood types slagging him off and now we see, the hypocrisy of their own behaviours, perverts, rapists, greedy women, we have racists in our own government and have had our fair share or sexual predators. Still pick on Trump it obviously gives some sort of satisfaction.

durhamjen Thu 26-Oct-17 00:13:20

www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/trump-says-he-is-only-president-in-history-with-courage-to-stand-up-to-war-widows

Watch the video at the bottom of this, after reading it.

durhamjen Thu 26-Oct-17 00:00:35

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/myeshia-johnson-trump-phone-call_us_59edbc7ce4b00f08619fcb04

Who do you believe? It was on speaker phone in a car.
Two witnesses.

Tegan2 Wed 25-Oct-17 23:43:33

I think there was a witness to what he said [or so the S.O. told me].

BlueBelle Wed 25-Oct-17 23:06:15

Alisa you can’t defend the indefensible he has said all the things he is accused of saying most of them are on tape or video anyway only him thinks it’s all fake he is narcissistic has no reasoning that his mouth may go too far hasn’t one gram of diplomacy or decency is ready to start WW3 in the quest to be right and get the last word and when he is picked up by ANYONE he screams Fake News..... he is a caricature of a human

durhamjen Wed 25-Oct-17 22:10:55

Looking forward to this.

www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-us-president-screaming-at-sky-protest-facebook-election-victory-anniversary-one-year-8017691

durhamjen Wed 25-Oct-17 18:23:01

What happens when they resign? Is there another election straight away?
Could one of the houses end up Democrat by default?