Let's not Forget Brexit(2)

Truly scary MaizieD - and yes, more and more people realise they have been conned- and that the impending new rulings on tax evasion in the UK where the true cause of those who engineering the lies and the manipulation of the voters.

Cindersdad, agree that we are divided as ever. Few seem to have changed their mind here on GN- but it seems many people have in the country. I certainly know quite a few.

There isn't a single person whether it be MP, industrialist etc who were in favour of leaving the EU that I have any respect for or trust of. Had, say, Ken Clarke been in favour of it I would have seriously thought that leaving the EU was a viable option. But, when it's down to Farage, Dyson, Bamford, Redwood, tossofacoinBoris, Gove, Fox, Rees-Mogg et al I can see no reason why brexit isn't being done purely to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. I can understand the more left wing argument against the EU but feel that their reason for leaving would only be a sensible one if the people in power would make sure that any financial gains were distributed fairly [a la EU], and I don't trust the people with that power to do so.

I didn’t write this - it’s brilliant, maybe raise a smile for some of you!

“Time to take back control
I live in Mercia.. great country... till we joined the English-superstate.
Now we're lumped together with Wessex, Anglia and Northumbria - part of the USUK.

We got no democratic say, Anglians are flooding in, pushing up house prices and we got to pay to keep Northumbria going, as it's got 30% youth unemployment.
Northumbria's stuck with the pound, if it got its own currency it wouldn't have youth unemployment AND they wouldn't be coming to Mercia taking OUR JOBS and OUR BENEFITS.
A last week I saw a whole family of people from Wessex sleeping on the streets. OUR STREETS. Scum.
It's time for Mercia to go, we'll still be bestest friends with Anglians, but we want sovereignty back.
That's why I support MEKIP
And just because I don't want Northumbrians coming here, that doesn't make me a racist.”

All I can say is, being a Northumbrian, I don't think much of all those illiterate Mercians coming here and trying to take over our beaches, towns and villages. We have enough of a problem trying to ward off the Danes, with their Danelaw.

"DJ" I agree with you. I know that SuzieD did not intend to offend and may be wanted to highlight national bigotry. There is rivalry, usually healthy, between different regions in the UK. Mixed feelings I can understand the humour but somethings are better left unsaid.

As an Anglian who emigrated to Northumbria some 30+ years ago I can only say that I have met with nothing but friendship and acceptance from all the Northumbrians I have met (though I'm not too happy about the few who turned over our workshop last year and who stole the electric fence battery out of my field last week; but they're probably not natives ). I do hope that you're not going to start a NorKIP independence movement, dj. It would be so awful not to feel welcome any more in the country I love

Uplifting to ,read that so many people who voted for Brexit have changed their minds and being encouraged to write to their MPs to tell them of their change of heart.

If Yorkshire YorKIPed as well we could work towards joining the northern bits together and leaving the south to get on as the only remaining united bit of the UK.

I am sure 30 years residence would give you citizenship Maizie. I would suggest we have our parliament in York as we would want to visit our centre of democracy and there is a lovely Betty's for coffee

Suzied - love this article. I lived for many years on the Danelaw border - village names often indicating which side of the fence it was ...

and of course lived in the Potteries 6 towns all foreign to each other ;) (actually got my British Natioinality in Stoke-on-Trent in 74).

As far as our Surrey relatives, anything North of Watford was true wilderness and we became aliens...

As you say many people know little about the geography of their country or indeed about those they visit on holiday - just see places as a country and not as made up of areas and towns.
Of course not all people are like that and do take an interest in their country - we took the children around the UK - benefits of family to visit in various places - and showed them the journey on the map. Years since I have been to the NE though - about the nearest I have got the last few years is Harrogate - and the Betty's there always has a huge queue going round the corner!
Could we have long term visas to visit these independent areas of UK?

GracesGran, Northumbria at the time of Mercia included Yorkshire anyway. When I say I'm a Northumbrian I mean I am from north of the Humber.
I am sure Suzie knew that. Not offended at all, just playing along.
But yes, Cindersdad, it just shows how silly Brexit is.
Bringing AngloSaxons into the mix makes it even more ludicrous.

Welshwife, that Betty's is the one where I used to meet up with my son for breakfast on a Sunday morning when we were all a lot younger - now it would have to be Sydney. I have visited quite a lot of England but would love to tour Scotland. My daughter worked up there for about seven years so I got to see some of it - but never enough!

I would have to apply for citizenship too as I am very rootless but I do love this part of the world (and I have been here for 45 years)

I like Little Betty's, GracesGran, the one in York down Stonegate.

A federal England in 2020. Anyone fancy it?

www.citymetric.com/politics/what-would-regions-england-look-federal-uk-2679

From this article.

Thanks Jen. Too late to read it but will tomorrow. It's not a completely stupid idea by any means and then the UK government would be the UK government and not one trying to be the English government at the same time.

In the meantime, this is really worrying, but hardly surprising:

Nearly two thirds of EU businesses expect to move some of their supply chains out of the UK because of Brexit, a new survey has found.

The research by the Chartered Institute of Procurement and Supply (CIPS) also found that 40% of UK firms are looking to replace their EU suppliers.

The survey of 1,118 supply chain managers in the UK and Europe found that the number of EU firms planning to shift part of their supply chain out of Britain has risen to 63% from 44% in May.

CIPS also reported that 25% of UK businesses with more than 250 employees have spent more than £100,000 preparing their supply chains for Brexit

I wonder what Brexiteers think about that, jura.

I know some (possibly many) Brexiteers have changed their minds.

The more facts come out daily about the impact of Brexit must surely question the wisdom of continuing on that course.

Why must the result of June last year be frozen for all time when the margin was small, the impact so great and not easily reversed.

Government must surely realize this and have the courage to admit that may be we got it wrong. National Self Harm is not a wise course of action.

The June 2017 election surely indicated some serious doubts over Brexit.

David Davis himself said "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy".

Will they get the message before it is too late, or at least think about it.

infacts.org/thanks-brexiters-6-ways-brexit-taking-toll/

This supports what you said, jura.

It's a shame that Brexiteers don't realise that they are just having "delusions of lost greatness" .

www.politico.eu/article/mps-call-for-new-committee-to-review-transfer-of-eu-law-into-uk/

They should all be lawyers. There must be enough of them in the Commons. They are particularly needed as none of the top Brexiteers are lawyers.

All those who want David Miliband to be leader of Labour, he wants a second referendum.

labourlist.org/2017/11/david-miliband-calls-for-fresh-referendum-on-brexit-deal/

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-davis-brexit-report-secret_uk_5a008ae1e4b04cdbeb350d89

Davis asking for more time before he releases the papers to the Labour party.
He said that May hadn't read them; he forgot to say that he hadn't.