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Let's not Forget Brexit(2)

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Cindersdad Thu 02-Nov-17 09:04:57

It seems that 1000 posts is the limit for a thread, so carrying on I have to commend Day6 for persistence though really cannot understand any of the reasons LEAVER have given.

Let's we get the full disclosure of the Brexit impact statements. I want to try to avoid repitition but we have probably said at one time or other everything to say about Brexit.

The bottom line is that we will be worse off outside the EU. Yes there fault with the EU but outside we can do nothing inside we have a say.

The referendum result was based on lies. The LEAVE campaign finances are not above suspicion.

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 13:42:11

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/10/babble-brexit-progress-dave-ooze-defeat-barnier

Why on earth did May choose David Davis to negotiate for us in Europe?
She had lots of legal MPs to choose from.
Maybe all the lawyers and economists in parliament voted to stay in.

Welshwife Sat 11-Nov-17 13:44:41

I have just read an article in Evolve Politics which says that TM has appointed a Baron Calnan to the Brexit bunch - he was an MEP for the NE and lost his seat in the last election. He wants to get rid of most of worker's rights - such as paid holidays and maternity/paternity entitlement and also many health and safety laws.

Within the article is a link to a speech he gave in the EU about it.

jura2 Sat 11-Nov-17 13:46:02

Going to England tomorrow- and for the first time ever- my heart is not singing. Can't wait to see friends, and especially daughters and grandchildren- but for the first time ever, I do not feel as though I am 'going home'.

We always were 'going home' when going to UK, and 'going home' when we came to Switzerland - it was wonderful, truly and totally feeling at home in 2 very different places. Sad- tragic even. And I know, some of you will not understand at all.

Welshwife Sat 11-Nov-17 13:48:36

I understand completely Jura - we were exactly the same. We were in UK in October and this year going back for Christmas - so middle of December.

I hope you have a lovely time seeing everyone.

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 13:59:51

I understand and I live here. I quite regularly feel like an alien in my own country these days.

MaizieD Sat 11-Nov-17 14:02:42

Took me a while to find him, dj; he's Baron Callanan.

A profile from when he was an MEP in 2013

www.politico.eu/article/abrasive-brit/

jura2 I understand perfectly how you feel. I felt it (though in a lesser and less sad way) when we lived for several years in a Yorkshire town which had very little to recommend it. Only when we turned off the A1 when we came back from holidays I knew that I had a good 95% of the year in which to live there... At least you only have a few weeks here smile

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 14:21:24

Thanks, Maizie. I've just spent ten minutes on Evolve politics,and it doesn't appear on their website yet.
I'd never heard that name. I know my MEPs names.

Made a Lord when he lost his MEP seat.
Not quite the sort of person I had in mind to support Davis. He is said to be abrasive, and rub people up the wrong way.

Is Jonathan Arnott still an MEP? I've never heard of him for ages.

MaizieD Sat 11-Nov-17 14:35:35

He sounds to me like a stereotype gritty NE tory who will cut the crap and get to the essentials fast. At least, I should imagine that that's the thinking behind this.

And, at long last, they actually have appointed someone who knows a bit about the EU shock

And, I suspect, that his thinking is not very far removed from that of a great many NorthEasteners.

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 14:51:08

Regardless of how many people end up workless because of it.
Corbyn was in Consett yesterday, talking about Universal Credit with Laura Pidcock and the CAB, making much more sense.

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 23:01:19

r.mail.crowdjustice.co.uk/track/click/5pfhdowx27ale3d

Over 450 amendments to the repeal bill. I wonder how long it will take for them to go through that properly.

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 01:22:32

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/11/theresa-may-faces-defeat-mp-demanding-vote-on-brexit-deal

End of Maybot?

Welshwife Sun 12-Nov-17 08:51:11

This makes interesting reading! Depending on exactly what they do we could even lose rights to healthcare!

grbactionforce.com/repealing-our-rights-british-citizens-set-to-lose-their-fundamental-rights/

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 09:43:37

All Brexiteers should read that, Welshwife.
May and Davis imply that all the laws from the EU will be transported to the UK en masse, via the repeal bill, which presumably includes human rights. That article shows that is a deliberate lie.

I see it also gives a link to the 450 amendments in the repeal bill.

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 10:45:25

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/11/observer-view-on-britains-shambolic-brexit-negotiations

varian Sun 12-Nov-17 16:22:10

Lord Kerr, the Secretary General of the European Constitutional Convention, which drafted Article 50, the clause which the Government triggered earlier this year to begin the process of leaving the EU, has set out the facts about what Article 50 is, and what it is not.

The key point is this; the letter that the Prime Minister sent to trigger Article 50 can be withdrawn if the British people change their minds. And from President Macron to Donald Tusk, European leaders agree.

New facts are coming to light that nobody could have known about at the time of the referendum. As we move forward, the public have the right to know that they can still take a different view. They should not be misled into thinking they can’t.

www.facebook.com/OpenBritain/videos/1838029932903989/

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 16:41:25

The problem is, varian, that those who need to look at that will not. Such a shame.

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 16:54:28

theconversation.com/eu-citizens-rights-and-brexit-negotiations-both-sides-could-be-violating-human-rights-law-87030

whitewave Sun 12-Nov-17 18:20:04

Been trying to catch up with the weekend papers all day.

It seems that Gove and Johnson have staged a bit of a coup and making demands of Maybot re a hard Brexit.
Wonder if there is anyone strong enough in the cabinet to resist them. Maybot certainly isn’t,

whitewave Sun 12-Nov-17 18:22:10

Why the hell she doesn’t get shot of Johnson? He’s nothing but a pain in the ass, running constant leadership contests with her. We know she detests him. At least therein lies reasonable judgement.

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 18:28:17

It's Gove who is going to run against her. That's why he's being so pleasant at the moment.

whitewave Sun 12-Nov-17 18:31:17

Wonder if he’s got the support? It is interesting as I can remember that at one time he catagorically ruled himself out as leader saying that he realised he was not leader material.

Talk about scrapping the bottom of the barrel.

whitewave Sun 12-Nov-17 18:35:06

Tory rebels seem to be finding sufficient spine to hopefully defend the U.K. against a disastrous Brexit, as well as the amendments to the Repeal Bill.

One thing that has struck me, in Maybots grand announcement that we are leaving on 29march 2019. What price the parliamentary voice in all this? She makes the daftest decisions. Look how the premature A50 got her in deep doo doo and continues to do so.

whitewave Mon 13-Nov-17 08:18:44

I wonder if this wretched government understands how fragile the peace in NI is? A pipe bomb found yesterday shows that very little is needed to start the troubles off again.

The GFA must not be compromised under any circumstances.

Welshwife Mon 13-Nov-17 09:36:37

Found this latest piece today by Richard Murphy

shar.es/1PPwIF

durhamjen Mon 13-Nov-17 09:48:00

"Farage, Johnson and Gove promised them Greatness again. But, whatever happens, we are a massively diminished nation. We have no influence left almost anywhere, and it is apparent we have a political system so threadbare it can hardly deliver government, let alone competent participation in any issue of consequence. I think this is going to create enormous stress. It also requires leadership to address the issues."

From that article, Welshwife.
We are no longer great, whatever Brexiteers pretend.