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When is she going to fire him? (Boris)

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Nandalot Tue 07-Nov-17 13:34:36

Boris may have caused a British Iranian woman’s sentence in Iran to be doubled to 10 years by something Liam Fox calls ‘ a slip of the tongue’.The woman was on holiday with her family in Iran when she was accused of spying. Johnson said she was there teaching journalism which the Iranian authorities leapt on as spreading propaganda. I don’t think May will give him the boot. She fears him too much to let him loose. Meanwhile, the UK, and this poor woman, have to endure the repercussions of his ‘slips of the tongue’.

trisher Fri 10-Nov-17 12:03:32

I haven't but have close friends with family there who have visited them. I rely more on them to know exactly what things are like. It really isn't acceptable to me that a country like Saudi Arabia with similar if not worse restrictions on human rights, with an appalling record on the bombing and destruction of children and families in Yemen is viewed sympathetically. Why? because they are an oil rich nation buying arms from us. Whereas a country that rejected US domination and influence is viewed as an enemy. To such an extent that the west was prepared to support and arm a dictator with chemical weapons in an attempt to destroy them. I hate the way general judgements are made and a country condemned. But of course balance and looking at an entire situation is much harder than simply saying -'bad country" isn't it.

lemongrove Fri 10-Nov-17 11:50:03

jura2......please put the wooden spoon away.

Primrose65 Fri 10-Nov-17 11:48:36

the media-led uninformed opinion that places Iran beyond the pale isn't really acceptable
Who does give an acceptable, informed opinion on Iran?

jura2 Fri 10-Nov-17 11:48:00

Oh go on, tell us more. When did you visit- would love to know all about it.

lemongrove Fri 10-Nov-17 11:27:55

You are dead right trisher it’s not ‘some sort of paradise’
And that is all I will say to your post.

trisher Fri 10-Nov-17 11:15:01

Very similar then to the laws in this country on radicalisation then lemongrove. Or is that different? Have you been to Iran or do you know any Iranians with families there? I'm not saying it's some sort of paradise but the media-led uninformed opinion that places Iran beyond the pale isn't really acceptable. Arguably Saudi Arabia has very similar restrictions, but they are never treated to the same condemnatory comments.

lemongrove Fri 10-Nov-17 11:02:24

I agree Primrose and also think that actually the furure over this may do the woman in prison some good, it has brought into the light this particular case, and Boris is in touch with his Iranian counterpart, wouldn't be surprised if they issued a pardon for her and released her next year.
We all know that you can be arrested and charged in Iran for having a coffee and chatting to what they call ‘the wrong people’ or a phone conversation, or almost anything.
What a country.

Primrose65 Fri 10-Nov-17 10:55:51

I'm can't agree with the calls to sack Boris over this. (Sack him for other things, by all means). Iran has been arresting and detaining people with dual nationality for years and apparently, this is increasing according to Reuters. I'm not happy about giving Iran any leverage in who should be our Foreign Secretary by threatening to detain people for longer. I can't see how sacking Boris will help her or the others, I think it's likely to make things worse - better not to hand any influence to them.

Anya Fri 10-Nov-17 08:42:57

hmm not sure about this case at all. There is definitely something odd going on. When they interviewed the husband he was not totally convincing.

Fennel Fri 10-Nov-17 08:28:59

Where's the evidence that he's 'clever' or 'very intelligent'?
All I can think of is he can speak Russian, and maybe because he has a quick wit.
He got an upper 2nd in classics from Oxford.

maryeliza54 Fri 10-Nov-17 07:42:10

But he won’t will he? The price of a weak leader. I read somewhere the other day that Boris’ self regard is matched only by his incompetence. I swear I will throttle the next person who says ‘Ah but he’s very clever’.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 09-Nov-17 21:05:08

If that is what she is doing then she is as self-serving as he is Gill.

Now the Iranian broadcasters on an Iranian state TV news feature on her claimed Boris' gaffe was confirmation the Nazanin Zaghari Ratcliffe was in the country plotting against the regime.

There is no excuse for what he has done. He ought to go.

GillT57 Thu 09-Nov-17 20:51:49

I heard only part of an interview on Radio 4 today with Tulip Siddique (s?) She is MP for the family's constituency. Sorry tale of failed attempts to meet with Boris, despite raising matter in the house and going direct to FO armed with letter signed by 200 MPs of all parties, Boris still has failed to meet with husband. Saw interesting point on Mumsnet; by keeping BJ in public eye, making a complete arse of his job as Foreign Secretary, TM is scuppering his plans for being Prime Minister. He can't resign as Foreign Secretary to mount a challenge for leadership.

maryeliza54 Wed 08-Nov-17 09:56:48

Oh bother - I wish I had as many recesses as they do.

lemongrove Wed 08-Nov-17 09:52:11

Two things spring to mind, one that it seems the woman in question certainly does have links to journalism and is interested in helping Iranian news website employees and was perhaps meeting people in Iran as well as having a holiday with family.We can’t be completely naive about this, it could have been the case.
Two, that Boris was always going to be a disaster in that very diplomatic post and should never have been appointed.
He is certainly very intelligent, but that role demands more.
He made a blunder by being ( possibly) truthful about her interest in the journalists, and should have stuck to the line about a holiday.
This is all IMHO of course, just as comments by anyone else on here are, since it is impossible for any of us to know the complete truth.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 08-Nov-17 09:46:17

No PMQs today, I believe as parliament is stood down for a short recess. Back on Monday if I have got this right. I think the speaker could ask them to come back but I doubt that this would happen.

maryeliza54 Wed 08-Nov-17 09:44:47

That was to GG’s 9.37 post

maryeliza54 Wed 08-Nov-17 09:43:43

But it’s so much better to have an opinion just based on what you think without any facts cluttering it up isn’t it?

GracesGranMK2 Wed 08-Nov-17 09:42:45

Wow Primrose, thank you. That is very interesting and shows why her husband is very careful in what he says. I would say that it almost makes the Boris comments even more thoughtless as his department will know much more than this.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 08-Nov-17 09:37:39

If you don't like the reference put forward eazybee how about not just criticising the source but offering one that shows a different view of what happened so that we can all be a little more knowledgeable.

maryeliza54 Wed 08-Nov-17 09:32:02

PMQs should be interesting

whitewave Wed 08-Nov-17 09:29:48

grin or shock bit of both really. Nothing would surprise me these days

Humbertbear Wed 08-Nov-17 09:25:42

As it says in The Times this morning, if everyone gets fired by Christmas the only candidate for Tory leadership left will be Jacob Rees-Mogg

whitewave Wed 08-Nov-17 09:14:01

primrose of course it will - that is how they work or modus operandi, if you prefer.

But we all can appreciate that you don’t pile coal on what is already a big fire.

There is no excusing Johnson.

maryeliza54 Wed 08-Nov-17 09:12:00

Well eazy I’ve read a variety of sources that triangulate with wiki. I’d love to see your sources that contradict that information.