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Animal Rights after the Brexit Repeal Bill

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Ilovecheese Mon 20-Nov-17 16:13:58

I'm sorry I don't know how to do a link but I have just read this in the Independent on line
"MPs have voted to reject the inclusion of animal sentience – the admission that animals feel emotion and pain – into the EU Withdrawal Bill.

The move has been criticised by animal rights activists, who say the vote undermines environment secretary Michael Gove’s pledge to prioritise animal rights during Brexit.

The majority of animal welfare legislation comes from the EU. The UK Government is tasked with adopting EU laws directly after March 2019 but has dismissed animal sentience.
The Government said during the debate before the vote that this clause is covered by the Animal Welfare Act 2006.

The RSPCA disputed the Government’s claim."

I'm not a great animal lover myself, but I don't like to think of them being treated as if they have no feelings.

I wondered what animal lovers think about this.

lemongrove Fri 24-Nov-17 22:41:00

tchgrin

lemongrove Fri 24-Nov-17 22:40:32

Yes, a good analogy, if I say so myself [ grin]

lemongrove Fri 24-Nov-17 22:39:53

We probably forced Europe to have better animal welfare in the first place, it’s better here than almost anywhere on the planet.
Bull fighting, throwing animals off Towers, overloading donkeys, veal rearing, foix gras and the force feeding that goes into it etc.

MissAdventure Fri 24-Nov-17 22:37:56

Stop spreading dung? grin

lemongrove Fri 24-Nov-17 22:36:20

Oh give it up durhamjen this animal welfare fake news is just a pile of dung.....stop spreading it.

durhamjen Fri 24-Nov-17 16:47:03

infacts.org/gove-makes-dogs-dinner-animal-suffering-vote/

Worth reading if you want to see the difference between what is law and what is not, and whose responsibility it is.

durhamjen Fri 24-Nov-17 16:22:19

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/11/24/gove-panned-by-the-public-after-social-media-slur/

Have you forgotten that Gove stood in front of the biggest lie of the lot, a red bus promising lots of money for the NHS?

Primrose65 Fri 24-Nov-17 12:10:33

Jalima Sadly no, we didn't get a mention on Newsnight. Perhaps we should be more extreme in our discussions next time, our opinions must have been too balanced to be newsworthy.

Nigglynellie I couldn't agree more.

Jalima1108 Fri 24-Nov-17 11:18:52

nigglynellie Well said.

Jalima1108 Fri 24-Nov-17 11:18:02

Looks like this is the topic of Newsnight this evening.
Did they mention us? Stars of the small screen?

"Your Opinion Matters"

nigglynellie Fri 24-Nov-17 10:57:38

The RSPCA does cover Farm Animals under a different scheme called, I think, Farm Animals Assured.

nigglynellie Fri 24-Nov-17 10:53:34

Animal welfare standards in the UK are infinitely higher than a lot of European countries. The standard of care and treatment in some actually make your hair stand on end, from Foi Gras in France to bull fighting, obscene so called festivals in Spain, and treatment of animals in some Eastern European countries that is SO barbaric that its unprintable making a complete mockery of any EU protection legislation. I think our own standards will be more than adequate compared to European ones!

NfkDumpling Fri 24-Nov-17 08:18:00

Listening to Mr Gove on Radio Four at the moment, he's making sense.

durhamjen Thu 23-Nov-17 23:36:20

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2017/nov/23/steve-bell-conservatives-animal-rights-cartoon

lemongrove Thu 23-Nov-17 22:35:24

Sorry, Primrose

lemongrove Thu 23-Nov-17 22:35:00

Yes, have just seen that Petra grin

Primrose65 Thu 23-Nov-17 22:33:37

Looks like this is the topic of Newsnight this evening. Perhaps they're stalking our forum now! grin grin

Primrose65 Thu 23-Nov-17 22:24:27

The Daily Fail and The Scum wouldn't have a front page if they had to print the truth

I do mean exactly things like the Queen supporting Brexit. Plenty of other papers would struggle too, as would all the clickbait political blogs.

lemongrove Thu 23-Nov-17 21:59:48

Very true Jalima and interesting that those who didn’t vote to leave the EU are keen to attribute any old rubbish and false news to ‘Brexit nighmare scenario’ type of thing.

Years ago it was thought that many European countries had
Awful farming practices and animal welfare in general.
Now, it seems some even think the UK are the bad guys in this respect, without knowing the first thing about it.

We will be well out of the EU.

Tegan2 Thu 23-Nov-17 20:30:42

'it's a journalist's job to find out the truth, not make stuff up! 'you mean, like the Queen supporting brexit etc The Daily Fail and The Scum wouldn't have a front page if they had to print the truth

Jalima1108 Thu 23-Nov-17 20:25:16

I can only think that somehow this will allow the U.K. to drop its animal welfare regulations after Brexit.
Why? We will probably revert to the regulations we have always had which are higher than EU standards.
The standards of animal welfare in some EU countries is appalling.

NfkDumpling Thu 23-Nov-17 19:44:51

Sorry, my 'pooter jumps rather and I missed Primroses post.

NfkDumpling Thu 23-Nov-17 19:42:39

I understand that we already have laws as good as if not more stringent than the EU ones and it would confuse things when we're no longer ruled by the European Court of Justice.

maryeliza54 Thu 23-Nov-17 18:18:34

Well storm in a teacup or not, Gove has announced a strengthening of current laws so the whole issue being aired could clearly make a difference. Also the Government should not be caught on the back foot like this- surely they should have been proactive with the amendment rather than allowing a media storm to develop and then react.

maryeliza54 Thu 23-Nov-17 18:15:35

Primrose you aren’t being serious are you about what journalists should do - report factually, not twist stuff, find out the truth, not make stuff up - if only!