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Budget? What budget?

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Elegran Wed 22-Nov-17 19:17:11

I have just seen news reports of measures in the budget. First I've heard that a budget was imminent. When did they sneak that up on us?

GracesGranMK2 Thu 23-Nov-17 22:43:02

Sorry if this has been mentioned - the IFS has warned that UK workers face two decades without wage growth in the biggest squeeze in living standards since records began.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 23-Nov-17 22:36:17

He's a Tory.

durhamjen Thu 23-Nov-17 22:25:33

Hammond has just told nurses today that last year they received on average 3.3% pay rise.
How could that happen if pay was capped at 1%?
He's the third Tory to say that this year. He's a liar.

durhamjen Thu 23-Nov-17 22:21:06

Are you not worried that your children and grandchildren are living through the worst pay restraint since before records began?

lemongrove Thu 23-Nov-17 21:40:22

So, why do you think that Corbyn and McDonnell are all for leaving the EU then?

All the insults of prejudice and ignorance directed at leavers hardly take into account all the intelligent men and women in all walks of life,who voted that way.

I can understand remainers being worried about the future, but simply cannot understand all the vitriol directed at leavers.It’s fear I suppose, it makes them lash out at others blindly.

MaizieD Thu 23-Nov-17 21:29:23

It wasn't 'cheap foreign labour' that had a devastating effect on wages; it was (and still is) the tory 'austerity' policy. It wasn't an influx of 'cheap foreign labour' which restricted public sector workers' pay rises to 1% a year since 2010 and has produced an actual real terms drop in wages.

The study most quoted by Leavers was the one that said that unskilled workers wages had dropped by 1% over eight years as a result of EU wotkers. Not good, but it isn't a massive amount (as 1% of not very much is not very much) and doesn't explain why wages of skilled workers and professionals have failed to even keep pace with inflation.

allule Thu 23-Nov-17 21:21:36

I've not seen much reference to the fact that having five Fridays in December will take the pay of claimants who are paid weekly, over their usual monthly earnings. This means they will lose benefit, and have to start a new claim in January.
I really cannot decide whether the people running this are incompetent or cruel?

durhamjen Thu 23-Nov-17 20:18:10

Tell that to the two thirds of those in inwork poverty.
You really do get taken in, don't you, lemon.

lemongrove Thu 23-Nov-17 19:37:27

People do have jobs ( almost full employment at the moment) however I realise that you are talking about secure jobs and yes, they are keen on Brexit for Socialist reasons, that cheap foreign labour ( since we are in the EU) has had a devastating effect on wages.Another good reason to be leaving then.

quizqueen Thu 23-Nov-17 19:36:24

£3 billion for the UK, £40 billion for the EU. All you, Remainers, on here should love it!

durhamjen Thu 23-Nov-17 19:21:20

They are not keen on Brexit. They are keen on ensuring that people have jobs - a slight difference.

lemongrove Thu 23-Nov-17 19:19:15

I do, and that us the only good thing about the two of them, they are keen on Brexit.

durhamjen Thu 23-Nov-17 19:17:14

They didn't vote with the government, lemongrove. Believe it or not, they voted for the population.

If the amendment had won, it would have meant that they would have had to have all customs taxes the same. This would have meant that if they had got a good deal from the EU, the same deal would have had to be given to every other country they dealt with. You must realise that that is not in the UK's interest.

Sheilasue Thu 23-Nov-17 19:16:31

Yes very true GracesGranMK2. Disgraceful budget.

MaizieD Thu 23-Nov-17 19:16:22

It's all the fault of the dastardly EU mostly harmless, not the tories.

Haven't you seen the light yet? grin

mostlyharmless Thu 23-Nov-17 19:05:36

The Tories Austerity policy has plainly failed. Since 2010, Government debt has soared, the deficit has widened and wages have dropped. Hospitals, schools, the police, the armed forces, the welfare budget (including benefits for the disabled and most needy), local councils (including libraries, etc) have all been starved of cash. I could go on.
These are proven facts.

Yet some people crazily still think that the Tories are better at handling the economy.

Is that because Labour is more likely to increase the taxes of the wealthy and to clamp down on tax loopholes???

GracesGranMK2 Thu 23-Nov-17 19:05:25

Not really this budget but another example of the Cons not being able to organise a small celebration in a brewery. Because the levy they put on large companies for apprenticeships has been so badly organised the number started in this last year have halved. That will really help us get out of the mire the Tories have got us into!

lemongrove Thu 23-Nov-17 19:02:41

I don’t think that Corbyn or McDonnell are brilliant minds, but they want Brexit ( for Socialist reasons) at least.They even walked through the Lobby to vote with the government a couple of nights ago.

whitewave Thu 23-Nov-17 18:58:36

Good glad to hear it.

GracesGranMK2 Thu 23-Nov-17 18:55:14

Not public knowledge enough for the shadow chancellor to know it! Could you back this up in some way as it doesn't really make sense as it is.

Primrose65 Thu 23-Nov-17 18:53:04

Stating the obvious about McDonnell is not the same as endorsing anyone else ww grin

durhamjen Thu 23-Nov-17 18:44:53

This is interesting. How to get empty properties back on the market.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/11/23/philip-hammond-is-just-too-soft-on-empty-properties/

durhamjen Thu 23-Nov-17 18:39:19

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/11/23/fifteen-years-of-tory-economic-management/

whitewave Thu 23-Nov-17 18:27:01

And the Tories do? primrose? grin

Primrose65 Thu 23-Nov-17 18:24:27

Not public knowledge enough for the shadow chancellor to know it! And actually, our countries finances are not 'pub quiz questions' when you're looking to run the country. It's not a 'spelling bee' to ask how much money you're planning to borrow. He doesn't have a clue what he's talking about and can't manage without iPads or advisors.
I think you set the bar very low gg and McDonnell fails to meet it.