I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

David Davis is being hugely insulting to the Select committee and ironically for those who voted for sovereignty and democracy, he is acting the very opposite. As far as I am aware, although Brexit supporters may have voted for £350m a week to go to the NHS, they surely didn't vote for DD to make all the decisions and decide who, even in his own party FFS, is permitted to have access to the information. Even the most ardent Brexit supporters must be concerned about this, surely?

Of course they're not, Gill ...

Parliament voted that the government should pass these papers to the committee and I know some people don't understand Sovereignty but Parliament is Sovereign.

The government chose not to vote against this and not to put down any amendments - their usual too clever by half behaviour. That meant they were bound by the outcome of the vote which said that they should pass unredacted papers to the committee who would send out any redacted versions after they had seen them. Parliament having voted that is what the government has to do.

What the EU said or did is whataboutery, straw man or what ever you would like to call it.

Wasn't this government supposed to be the most open government ever? Or was that Call-me-Dave?

I think there's some huge confusion between the meaning of 'negotiating tactics' and 'impact assessments'.

I agree, Maizie.
Surely impact assessments shouldn't create any problems for individual firms. They are about different segments of manufacturing and services, and should be general enough not to identify companies.

And anyway, I'm sure I'm not the only one who gets fed up of the patronising tones of the government. Imagine what all those lawyers must feel like in the commons and the Lords, being told they can't be trusted.

Hello, I am back to check if I had any answers from the leavers, eg what EU rules have been forced on us that we could not veto and examples of the bad EU rules. 18 months down the line and still no answers.
Also are we remoaners traitors bearing in mind anyone who objected to Hitler was a traitor.

Yes we’re all definitely traitors and enemies of the people, even though we were 48%. The government have had to capitulate on paying the £89bn divorce bill , thus wasting all those months of negotiations, so much for all themextra dosh for NHS. It will take 40years to pay, so most of those who voted Brexit will be dead before they see any of the sunny uplands of Brexitland.

Isn't it interesting how little outcry there is against the £50bn it appears we may be paying to leave the EU - not something we were told would be part of the cost by the leavers. I wonder how we are now going to find that £350 million a week for the NHS?

What I do find insightful is that the leavers seem not to have been told what to say by the DM. Todays front page seems to lack the usual instruction to be angry. I am sure they will catch up in time and give the leavers the argument they need to use.

Hopefully they will mount an attack on our woeful “negotiating team”, who seem to have changed tack several times, whilst the EU have maintained their stance from the start. But what’s the betting they blame the EU?

How would €50bn buy I wonder?

7bn will build 10 brand new state of the art new hospitals.

1bn will build 25 new secondary schools.

30bn would put our NHS back on an even keel with some to spare for greater productivity.

Let’s throw in money for scientific research say 5bn.

We would still have some to spare.

Don’t forget that this is just the start of the cost.

Worth it?

It’s not just remainers who ran a “project fear” what about all that stuff about Turkey being about to join the EU and we’d have 69 million new immigrants overnight?

And now we seem to be negotiating a free trade deal with Turkey. Heck; they might even want us to take in some of their refugees [another leave threat]. What on earth will we trade with them? Tit for tat holidays [oh, I forget, people aren't going to Turkey for holidays as much as it's a bit dangerous there]. And they have a government that looks like a democratic one but is more like a dictatorship; what on earth do we have in common with that [oh, hang on a minute ...

The simple idea that we were being run from Brussels and that we needed to get a county back - both were part of the fear that the leavers built up - and lies.

As Rupert Murdoch said 'I can control the government but I can't control Brussels'. And now Jerry Hall is controlling him! It's almost comical.

Tegan2 you put these things (re Turkey) so well!

It makes me feel tired just reading this!

I assume that anyone working in Brussels for the UK has a govt pension to look forward to. It is never known how much this pension will eventually pay out until the recipient dies. This will be one of the reasons the UK Govt will be paying bills for years - it is impossible to estimate accurately the cost of these pensions. The one for Nigel Farage will be quite a high one I would think!
As I understand it these costs of everything will not be paid in one lump sum but paid as they become due - most of which would have been payments made anyway.
TheUK only needs to agree it will honour all commitments made and payment of pensions etc they are liable for. Reasonable really.
This whole thing will end up costing the country money and losing all sorts of benefits with little gain.

Hear, hear, Welshwife. Not only reasonable but obvious, iIwould have thought!

Barnier says that May still hasn't offered enough. He's still waiting for more.
I'm sure she'll give in again.

infacts.org/diane-abbott-right-people-final-say-brexit/

I agree. It's real democracy.

The referendum should surely have taken place AFTER the cost of a divorce bill had been worked out and all the other implications made clear. The more you think of Brexit the more insane it all seems. I am normally not a gloomy person but this whole business depresses me. I am sure I am not alone.

You're not ...

The people need to have a final say when the true costs and consequences are known.

How can we make that happen when the supranational tax avoiders who own most of the press and influence opinion will oppose Exit Brexit?