I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

The TUC seems to have produced its own report to show the different options available as the government still wants to keep its options secret.

labourlist.org/2017/11/tuc-ministers-are-using-brexit-to-play-russian-roulette-with-peoples-jobs-rights-and-livelihoods/

Well, the BILL came from the EU.

This is poor logic (there's a lot of it about). The bill came from the EU because we chose to leave the EU. Leaving caused the bill. The bill has been discussed and negotiated by both parties.

"..Well, the BILL came from the EU" is simply propaganda not logic.

Oh I used a million million. Perhaps that is wrong. I am a tad out of touch, which isn’t surprising when we are dealing with such outrageously large amounts of money is it?

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Which system are we using for the 'billion' ww?
It can either be a million millions or a thousand millions. I thought that the latter was the more usual these days.

Which would make it 50,000,000,000/17,000,000 =£2,940 (ish) per Leave voter.

But, of course, don't forget the £60 billion it's already cost to prop up the £ after the referendum and the £10 billion bung to the DUP.

It makes me laugh, really. All those right wing Leavers who recoil in horror from Labour spending proposals yet swallow billions of wasted money being poured down the Brexit drain. All absolutely worth it in the pursuit of Little England

€50bn that is 50million million!

or of you prefer
50,000000,000000.00

How much did each leavers vote cost us? Wonder if they will be willing to stand the bill? Divide that looooong figure by 17million and each leaver can find out how much their vote cost us

Wonder what we are going to have to do without?

Wonder how we are going to pay?

Wonder what the final bill will be - this is just the beginning.

Wonder what it will do to our economy?

Wonder at the insanity of it all.

It's a bit like winning the lottery but realising that you've lost your ticket...

Some people are so trusting in the bunch of incompetents in our government who can’t negotiate their way out of a paper bag. We will be paying the bills for years to come plus all the extra civil servants, departments, lawyers etc so there won’t be any benefits for Brexiteers to get excited about anytime soon. Meanwhile we will be paying more for a deal that is worse than the one we have already got. Marvellous.

But we are happier and healthier, Tegan. Research shows it.
Maybe leavers are not happier because they can't explain why they want to leave, and can't explain how we are going to benefit from it.

But you can't leave without explaining to us what we've gained [can you?]. We don't want you to defend your reason for voting leave; we just want to hear what your vote is going to do to this country and it's peoples and you still can't tell us .

So far we've got a bloody enormous bill and a divided nation

Well, the BILL came from the EU.

Glad we won't get many more of those!

I am friends with my Remain voting pals still. No rifts there. Most have calmed down. It's only social media online forums like this which make you think half the nation is up in arms. Keyboard warriors might be. Is it worth all the angst, really?

We are leaving. Any good psychologist will tell you acceptance is healing.

Really, you want to fight Leavers, agitate them and have them defend their reason for voting. This is an oft-used Remain tactic. It's not got much power any more.

As this thread has illustrated you (the same set of posters) are all seething together.

You'll have to carry on seething because most people (including the Remainers in my circle of friends) seem more interested now in seeing what sort of deal will be brokered with the anti-UK bad guys - the EU. They haven't won many friends regarding the divorce settlement, have they?

I'll LEAVE you to it.

We don't need them, Day6. Remainers are happier and healthier than Brexiteers.

No; it's just reached the 'when are any of those brexit promises going to come true' stage#still waiting

Well, you're in for a very long wait Tegan2 given we're likely remain in the EU until March 2019.

As mentioned in the Florence speech, there may be a two year transitional period until 2021 after that.

It's a long time for all you Remainers to be scouring the news every day for EU disaster stories. Start taking the vitamin pills.

I'll give you this, Day6, you certainly went into the bankrupting of Britain with your eyes wide open.

But I really can't understand why you did it if you can't even tell us what you expect to get out of it.

So far we've got a bloody enormous bill and a divided nation. Is that what you expected?

But the leave campaign told us it would be easy didn't they? Wasn't it Fox who said that [or Davies?]? And wasn't that a blatant lie?

And interestingly, in the Eurobarometer results for Spring 2017 there is a great deal of optimism for the future of the EU expressed by citizens of most of the EU countries

Annexe:
QA19 page T7

ec.europa.eu/commfrontoffice/publicopinion/index.cfm/ResultDoc/download/DocumentKy/79118

Yes, still waiting for the details of the rainbows and unicorns..

Gill, you have acquired the usual and predictable (yawn) Remainer tactic....ie: write a thesis about European politics circa 2016.

It ain't gonna happen, is it? Hows about you tell Leavers just what "Unicorns and rainbows" you imagined the majority who wanted out of the EU expected?

I haven't a clue what you are on about. Care to enlarge? What did we expect when we LEAVE? Please tell.

Remember, we are still in, still negotiating.

I am amongst those Leavers who imagined the whole exit process would be extremely complicated. (Let's face it - the EU is an impenetrable, labyrinthine, multi-layered, opaque institution anyway!) Not for one moment was leaving going to be easy, and we have seen the way EU politicians won't even talk to us until we give them BILLIONs. What's the figure stated today - 60 billion?

Long, drawn out EU intransigence. Why am I not surprised?

The Remain case is essentially economic and cultural. The Brexit case is essentially political and visceral.

I would agree with that summary over all ...

"we" view the EU as a constraint on our democracy, and "they" (the mainland Europeans) view it as a protector of theirs.

and I imagine this is a good summary of the majority of each area too.

Research into the views of those who voted for Brexit now says that only two thirds are hardline Brexiters and would not change their minds.
The other third are waverers and if May offers more money, they will change their minds.

we view the EU as a constraint on our democracy, and "they" (the mainland Europeans) view it as a protector of theirs.

Oh gosh - it get's better. A Remainer speaks for ALL of Europe now!!!

I refer you to my post back there <--- regarding research into EU voter apathy and hostility towards the EU, (undertaken by an EU body.) The countries most in favour of the EU were those in receipt of the most cash!

The results showed that only 13.6 per cent of European regions view the project positively.

Not good news for Brussels!

The Remain case is essentially economic and cultural. The Brexit case is essentially political and visceral. The bloody-minded Anglo-Saxons (e.g. Gurth and co. in Scott's Ivanhoe) won the referendum, and we are stuck with it. Makes one proud to be British/English/Irish/Scottish/Welsh - strike out which does not apply.

As I have probably said before, the essential difference between us and the rest of Europe is that "we" view the EU as a constraint on our democracy, and "they" (the mainland Europeans) view it as a protector of theirs.

As Shakespeare put it:- "This is too hard a knot for me to untie," and I am afraid it is also too hard for our elected political leaders.

Yes, still waiting for the details of the rainbows and unicorns..

No; it's just reached the 'when are any of those brexit promises going to come true' stage#still waiting

Day 6 I fear Project Fear has reached the Mania stage ?

I am a remain supporter I am a fervent EU supporter in my opinion Brexit is an absolute disaster and I am beyond angry that my life and that of my children and grandchildren is being severely limited as regards our rights to work and live in other EU countries all this take back control was rubbish we never lost it?

You're not Greta and your point about the information every one had is very well made.