I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

Davis says that Canada plus, plus plus deal can be signed minutes after March 2019

Is there a single person in the U.K. that believes him?

Eyes and ears wide open

Wintour tweet

“2001 Tory election slogan in Europe but not being run by europe

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not in Europe but run by Europe

Sgg I think the issue is the same as the DUP issue. A tiny minority has this government by the short and curlies. Democracy is nowhere in sight. They will rue the day, well in fact if no one steps up the whole country will.

Back to the point of the thread ....

Talking about coincidences (a side track I know but never mind) - I was reading the label on a wine bottle last night and jokingly said to DH 'Just call me Jilly Goolden' - he had to be reminded who she was as we hadn't seen her for years.

Then he turned on Pointless and who should be on there but Jilly - I recognised her voice rather than her.

We were just listening to her singing last night, Welshwife. Amazing to see her this morning. Pure coincidence.

It was Fern Brittain interviewing her Jalima on for about an hour - with bits of her singing - all very interesting. BBC1 just before Daily Politics - which is how I came to turn TV on!

That Observer quote says it doesn't it whitewave.

The arithmetic is on the side of a soft Brexit. Not only is there a cross-parliamentary majority in favour; polling suggests that there is a real potential to mobilise public support around such an outcome

What I don't understand is why the few extremists have so much power.

oh ffs
McDonnell?

Corbyn, Starmer, McDonnell?

or Peter Kay and Susan Boyle ....

It makes you realise why people become disinterested in the whole political scene.
Do we have any honest politicians - enough to make a list?

Morgana - me too, with all of them.

What was that on Welshwife - I like Barbara Dickson

However, I can't watch the duet she did with Elaine Paige without thinking of Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders

Jeremy Hunt also lied through his teeth when interviewed a few days ago about mental health. And in spite of me shouting 'lies' at him! Getting really fed up with politicians at moment

IT is unbelievably depressing that people can behave like they are now.
However have just watched a lovely interview with Barbara Dickson - and she sang a bit - it cheered me up no end seeing what a lovely person she is.

Day 10 of the Brexit advent calender

We will be paying 50bn of tax payers money for a worse deal than we have now.

I watched well zipped through QT last night and was struck by the amount of lies Bernard Jenkins was not brought up on.

Some examples.

If we leave without a deal and go WTO we wouldn’t have to pay the divorce bill.

LIE - it is a sovereign debt. We can’t renege on that.

We will immediately have control over our tariffs and regulations

LIE if we wished to trade under WTO rules we would have to follow those tariffs and regulations.

We can leave and immediately start trading in our own right

LIE we would not have a single trade deal set up.

It really is time that people who lie so badly were brought to book. We are not talking a little committee meeting here we are talking about the future if our country.

Eyes and ears wide open

Just reading a guardian report. Brussels has suggested tha5 it isn’t prepared to go forward with trade talks unless may can show that her cabinet is entirely in agreement with a way forward.

Blimey we’ve been waiting 40 years for a non divided Tory party. It would need a miracle for that to happen.

If they are serious in that request, which seems entirely rational, then we are stuffed.

No not really. Davis would win the prize for the thickest minister ever. And May for the least competent.

The worry is they havent really started yet.

Brussels must be rubbing their hands in delight at the pushover we have become, simply because we totally failed to come up with any plan whatsoever, and are still failing.

I see Keir Starmer has said that May and Davis are having to agree with what the Labour party have said all along.
Hard to believe, isn't it?

Extract from the Observer editorial

“The ambiguity that May is using to hold her party together cannot go on for ever ..........At some point, ministers will have to stop pretending that Britain can have it all. When it does it will unfold into a huge fight between the hard and soft Brexiters.
The arithmetic is on the side of a soft Brexit. Not only is there a cross-parliamentary majority in favour; polling suggests that there is a real potential to mobilise public support around such an outcome”

I definately agree with the last sentence. As a firm remainer, I accept that we are probably going to leave and in such case I would vote for the softest Brexit possible. I suspect that is true of all Remainers, and the majority of Brexiters. There is a huge majority imo for the softest Brexit possible.

If that is the case Baggs we can look forward to business after business moving away from the country because they will not wait for the government to make up its mind.

I like the way the Sunday Times leader puts it this morning:
"The “divorce bill” was at the lower end of expectations, will stretch out over many years and in most of those will be a tiny element of government spending. It is hardly a burden. The issue of the Irish border, apparently so toxic during the past few days, has proved to be a can still suitable for kicking down the road."

By the way that any old source was from Brussels. I have my eyes and ears firmly wide open.

Last Friday’s events have shown the U.K. conceding to all 3 demands of the EU. They will inevitably concede to the rest of their demands as well. May’s agreement has more holes than a fishing net, yet is being hailed as some sort of victory, just highlighting the weakness of the U.K.’s negotiating position.