I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

Brexit negotiations, to date:

• Same regulations
• Same open borders
• Same European courts
• Same single market
• Same payments to EU

But:
• Lost all say in EU rules
• Squandered 1000s of jobs
• Knocked 18% off the pound
• Risking the Union
• Spent £50 billion

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/12/08/the-paradise-papers-a-tax-justice-uk-briefing/

Quite a long podcast on tax justice.

Do you think that May and Philip will get caught out, then, whitewave?

There is no longer just Nissan. It's in a group with Mitsubishi and Renault.
There has been no news about the Sunderland site on their site this year, Maizie.
It does make me wonder.

What ever May has or has not achieved, she has certainly set the Brexiters at each other’s throat.

Hey folks! One good thing is that the EU is insisting that we adhere to all EU law during the transition, which includes the Tax Avoidance Law!!

How good is that?

Yes, I think he's either being disingenuous or his comments are being taken out of context. The headlines give the impression that we will be able to vote before the deal is done. That's not what he's saying at all. I don't believe the decision to leave can be reversed or the deal changed during the transition period.

He has definately been on a charm offensive lately - love Uriah by the way, it is so apt.

The Japanese deal is major, and something we could have taken full advantage of.

On another thread dj said something about Nissan moving to Europe. Can you elaborate, dj?

I see today that the trade deal the EU has done with Japan is for free trade to the EU for Japanese cars and for free trade to Japan for EU dairy products.
How on earth will the UK hope to keep the car plants in the NE etc once this deal gets up and going? The plants were only ever built in UK to allow access to the EU.

He's got his serious face on in the Guardian, so he must mean it. No raised eyebrows.

The thought of Uriah being the next PM gives me the creeps.

It does seem to be the case that Uriah is saying we can change things at the next election if we don't like them. I doubt he is really suggesting we can change them to staying in the EU.

So, on top of the incompetency, lack of economic knowledge we now add to the picture of the modern Tory the willingness to betray those who have put you in a position of power.

Oh yes I know zero about guns. I will choose another metaphor next time.

Er, when you spike a gun you make it unusable. Do you mean priming their guns (getting them ready to fire)?

Farage and Banks seem to be spiking their guns once again. I suppose the Fail will run with it and too much air time will once again be given to spout their personal peculiar form of bile and hatred.

Actually I’ve read further on twitter re Gove and I interpreted what he said entirely wrongly I think.

He seems to be saying that future governments are free to change Mays agreement with the EU! So his loon tendency is still up and running. What a shame I really thought he had become less mad for a short while.

Robert Peston reporting

Gove has said that if the voters feel that Brexit is a mistake, they can and should change their minds.

I get the feeling that even the arch-Brexiters are beginning to face up to reality.

Is that going off topic? It's not project fear, is it, but I haven't seen anything like it from brexiteers.

With Brexit, we will need more manufacturing in this country. This is perfect; one company like this in every county will provide lots of jobs, and increase our manufacturing capacity.
They might even give apprenticeships to pensioners!

Up in Durham we have a business that recycles plastic and turns it into benches, picnic tables, fencing, steps, planters, etc.
I think they just use plastic milk containers.

www.marmax-products.uk/index.php?route=common/home

We need many more companies like this, and to reduce the amount we use.

I was reading that in the i today jen, and was horrified. Says a lot of our plastic will be burned or go into landfill as we don't have the means to recycle it, and Gove doesn't know what to do (no surprise there then). I was campaigning for things to be recycled years ago and feel as though I've stepped back in time....

Two thirds of our waste is exported to China at the moment, jalima.
They are fed up of being the dustbin of the UK..

Presumably China has enough plastic waste to turn into goods to sell back to us for the foreseeable future.

Talking about the Far East, there's going to be a big problem with China.
Apparently we have exported 2.7 million tons of plastic waste for recycling since 2012.
They are going to stop taking it from early next year, saying it is too toxic. Michael Gove has not yet given the problem sufficient thought, he said.