Oscar Pistorius

And I recall they were dependant on money from their daughter , it was selling photographs of themselves at the place they scattered her ashes I found distressing, surely a place they may want to visit privately . Well their choice

I seem to recall the Steenkamps accepted money because her father had a stroke two months after she was killed and they were declared bankrupt, they were evicted from their home and had no money whatsoever. Her mother has said she felt uncomfortable about it but it was either that or starve, she has also said she intends to pay it all back to him. I don't think we should be judging their actions unless we have been in a similar situation

Yes, we listened to the local news the other night Jane10 and it was one assault/murder after another

Why would anyone attack a 96 year old on his doorstep with a claw hammer? Someone has been arrested already and I hope he is convicted (if guilty)and gets the sentence he deserves.

Jane10 There is plenty of indignation being expressed by people I know about some of the light sentencing in this country. That young girl who killed a little girl in the park I thought got a life sentence with a minimum of 5 years which will be subject to review.

The reason people are particularly interested in the Pistorius case is because of the high profile of the perpetrator - someone known and admired for his athleticism the world over, added to which it was televised.

Pistorius is wealthy , another crime

I actually think that the righteous indignation expressed by some people on this thread is pretty rich considering the extremely light sentencing going on in the UK right now. That person who killed the little girl in the park got 4 years. Near us a young thug killed a passerby after previously assaulting 5 other random people. He got 4 years too.
Of course they aren't sensational high profile media pumped cases with political overtones but those victims mattered every bit as much to their families too. So much wrong in this world.

I’m not going to argue with you Anniebach

The actions of the Steenkamp family are irrelevant to the killing but not irrelevant to any comments about them as parents.

I agree with Jalima the actions of the Steenkamp family are irrelevant, Pistorius killed their daughter. This increased sentence was justified I think.

Previous Abortions? How many Friday?

You have read the transcripts of the case yet you don't mention she pleaded guilty

You did speak of her having an abortion as no innocent little woman , for me this is an opinion on abortion

May I suggest you read more than one book on the murder because you certaintly got some facts wrong.

It is not my business if you are a new poster or not

That’s fair enough but my post was in reply to Anniebach and ours must have crossed. It was she who made the assumptions not you.

My assumptions were not about you Friday but about the way you worded your posts there is a big difference, if you notice I said you sounded.... I didn’t say you are

You may be correct that her previous abortions had nothing to do with the killing though she used the miscarriage brought on by a punch in her defence at her trial. Perhaps I was wrong in thinking that she had decided she didn’t want any more children. My point still stands that she was not some innocent little ‘night club girl’ but someone who knew her own mind and was in fact the club manager.

The motive, from reading the trial transcripts, was jealousy as she thought her lover was seeing someone else. After she'd brought him down by her first two shots, she stood over him and emptied the gun into him, the final shot being close enough to leave powder burns.

I don’t believe in the death sentence either. And in fact I love that song ‘He Had it Coming’ rom Chicago, which in some ways is very reminiscent of this case.

However that does not give you, or anybody, the right to make the assumption that I do not believe in a woman’s right to choose abortion and you are way, way off track there and completely out of orde.

Friday your post sounded pretty judgemental and very black and white Ruth Ellis was no innocent little woman she had already aborted a child and had a penchant for violent men Ah well that’s it then, no interest in her childhood, background or how she got into the situation she was in what had happened to her to make her use a violent act which took the guy s life pand then her own
I don’t believe anyone is born evil their genetics and their environment they are brought up in make or break the person It’s a much bigger picture than the two examples of her you have used and always worth investigating before finalising your opinion
None of this excuses a murder however it’s always worth exploring the ‘why’s’ before making a snap judgement
Of course Annie wasn’t rude to you she was just questioning your ideas and that’s allowed on here
I don’t believe in hanging but that’s a whole new story to chew over

I did not twist your words Friday, what did an abortion in the past have to do with him hitting her in the stomach and causing a miscarriage? No one has said he deserved to be murdered , I do say she didn't deserve to be hanged but was because of the very reasons you put forward . Can you explain why you thought the abortion was relevent to the killing?

She was a victim of her circumstances I agree, though Blakely was the real victim inasmuch as he was the one murdered.

I hope you take my point Chewbacca that Anniebach went too far in making accusations and twisting my words.

I know very little about Ruth Ellis but, according to Wikipedia, she was the manager of The Little Club, not it's owner. Not that that matters one iota though. She appears to have had a chaotic life, probably because she was drawn to abusive and irresponsible men. I do think that we now have a better understanding of how sustained physical and mental abuse can trigger acts that are completely out of character. Ruth Ellis was as much a victim as Blakely was (in my opinion).

That was to Chewbacca

Then let me substitute ‘silly’ for stupid perhaps?

Don’t you think it was rude and assumptive of Anniebach to say that I was ‘one of the very few on this forum who doesn’t believe in a woman’s right to choose’. Because I do think that’s very rude, very inaccurate and a horrible thing to say. Yet, that’s OK and good manners then?

Actually Ruth Ellis wasn’t a ‘nightclub girl’ - I seem to remember she was the owner of the nightclub, or am I mistaken in this too?

You have every right to post your opinions Friday, but it's not on to tell another poster that their opinions are "stupid assumptions". See the difference? It's just good manners really.

My first post above was to MawBroon

Actually Chewbacca it was because Anniebach’s assumptions were so way off simply because I expressed an opinion she dissgeeed with. Or should I just roll over and let her twist what I said.

No one has picked up my point that they are more or less saying the victim deserved to be murdered.

Oh deary me, you have got your bloomers in a twist haven’t you. Other opinion are allowed you know....or do new posters have to serve their time perhaps before they can express and opinion?

I’m also quite sure that the ‘ladies’ in question are capable of speaking for themselves.

You make some very stupid assumptions Anniebach bit of a personal attack Friday, was that completely necessary?