Prince Harry’s engagement

One can wish a person, or a couple, well and be critical (or complimentary) of their fashion sense or, rather, of the fashions they wear. The two are not mutually exclusive.

It's a simple post from me after reading this thread for a while.

I just wish them well as I would do any other couple getting married from whatever background.

I would hate to be on show like that all the time - even when supposedly off duty and relaxing. The range of some camera lens is extraordinary.

Sorry, Jalima, I obviously did read it differently.

Annie, you shouldn't make things up.
I never criticised May for wearing that dress, or for wearing leather trousers.
I bet you can't find any post of mine that does.

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Princess Diana made homelessness her first charitable priority after joining the Royal family, and was not afraid to meet those directly affected. and made sure her boys were fully aware of the problems of homelessness.
We do not know what goes on behind the scenes or how much the Royal Family personally contributes to causes which concern them.

I said Kate couldn't get it right - either too staid or too short!

The lot who criticise women for how they look, the clothes they wear, etc., and how they compare to other women. I thought equality meant we didn't have to do that any more.

I think you completely misinterpreted my post durhamjen - I meant that Kate is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't - too short or too staid according to the media.

I thought equality meant we didn't have to do that any more. or that we can criticise men and women equally? After all, British fashion can get a boost (or otherwise) when famous people are seen wearing British designed clothes. Apparently. I myself would never know.

Oh, and another thing: this isn't really a royal wedding (though we'll pay for it as such). Think about it.

I'm with maryeliza here. Which homeless family living hand-to-mouth, relying on food banks, possibly in emergency accomodation in one damp room, is going to be feeling, 'Hey, well, things could be worse: there's another royal wedding next year!' Don't kid yourselves. I couldn't 'distract' myself from hunger or cold. Only those comfortably off are able to do that.

I think all this surmising, comparisons and critism is unfair why cant we just accept Kate and Meghan as two seemingly nice smart different young women who have met the man they love. (lucky them) and will hopefully lead a productive life which is all we wish for anyone isn’t it Bitching about whose best, and whose marriage will last longest is pointless and counter productive

No, equality doesn't mean that, dj. Equality doesn't mean that we all accept everything and everyone as equally elegant and stylish. It means we give everyone the opportunity to be as elegant/stylish (or whatever; and we accept that giving everyone equal opportunities is not an easy ambition) as they like. Note the 'they'; it means others might disagree. Others are also free to say they disagree, which is what has happened here.

Equality of outcome is probably impossible as well as undesirable; equality of opportunity is something to aim for.

You mean like you did about May and her summer dress and her leather trousers?

The lot who criticise women for how they look, the clothes they wear, etc., and how they compare to other women.
I thought equality meant we didn't have to do that any more.

you lot

and which lot would that be?

Sorry Jen, so easy to forget you dislike any criticising

Only if you lot continue to criticise.

And so it will be from this day on.

I have noticed it so often starbird - the 'sensible' older sibling and the carefree younger one!!

Kate couldn't get it right - either too staid or too short!

Jalima1108 yes I think that is often true. It is true of my older sister.

Kate has had some very undignified mishaps relating to dress. Hopefully she has learnt now, but it took time.

Think Andrew and Sarah .

Kate was mocked because they didn't get engaged soon after they became an item, waity katie , her mother was accused of plotting to get Kate into St Andrew's so she could get her hooks into William, Kate's parents were mocked for making their money from a business they own, Mrs Middleton mocked because she use to be bad air hostess.

Megan? Not a squeak, about her parents work, if Kate's mother had been a yoga teacher the press would have had a great time . I think Kate has something Megan doesn't have, dignity , the very thing the queen is praised for.

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Anniebach I think you're right.

starbird do you think this is often true in all families - the older/oldest sibling (where there is more than one child in the family) is more serious, a greater sense of responsibility and more is expected of the first child, especially in the Royal Family, whereas the younger/youngest is more carefree and has less of a sense of responsibility?

Many may disagree with me, but it is something I have noticed in a lot of families. This would be especially true of the RF where the older child and his wife have their life pre-determined for them.

You hear little of Princess Anne but she is [or certainly was] the hardest working of the Royals. Harry and Meghan met because of her involvement in good causes [need to check out what they are though] and I think they will continue to champion good causes.

starbird I agree that skirts on or below the knee look so much more elegant, especially with high heels.

I imagine this period of engagment/marriage and eventually new parent may be peak Meghan. Prince Harry will fall further down the line of succession and a new generation will take over in 15 or 20 years.

They'll become like the Wessexes, the Duke of York and Princess Anne, of whom you hear little nowadays - unless I'm not reading the right papers, of course!

starbird, I think if Megan had suffered a fraction of the criticism kate did before she and William were engaged Megan would be back in America. Big difference in marrying 7th in line to the throne to 2nd in line, Megan and Harry will have all the privileges but not the responsibility of William and Kate. Marrying a future king and being mother to a future king ? Big difference to the life ahead of Megan.