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Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

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GracesGranMK2 Sat 02-Dec-17 10:10:45

This is not an attack on individuals but on the ethos of conservatism. Since the war the CP has created the myth that they are competent. Recently we have seen:

Incompetence with the economy.
Incompetence with benefits
Incompetence with state pensions
Incompetence with support for business and industry via infrastructure
Incompetence in many areas with government administration
Incompetence with transport
Incompetence in the criminal justice system
Incompetence in defence
Incompetence in education
Incompetence in the NHS
Incompetence in running their own election

I am sure there are other areas. Why does anyone vote for this incompetence? Surely we deserve better?
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whitewave Tue 02-Jan-18 19:54:24

He’s just chippy - I think his father bribed Oxford to take him as he isn’t the brightest is he.

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 19:47:01

Yes, trisher, I was quite surprised to learn that Toby was son of Michael, whose work I used to read while doing my degree. The Tories are just trying to hijack the Young surname.

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 19:41:43

Read this, Wally. Then tell us you support Toby Young rather than Harry Leslie Smith. I presume being a lifelong socialist you have heard of Harry Leslie Smith?

skwawkbox.org/2018/01/02/can-a-person-who-sends-these-tweets-be-a-fit-university-regulator/

I daren't copy the tweets on the thread.

trisher Tue 02-Jan-18 19:25:13

You have to wonder what the hell is going on. Just googled TY and his father. His father was a Labour peer a sociologist and educationalist responsible for the U3A and Grandparents Plus and lots of other stuff. I think TY is just a silly kid trying to prove he is as good as his dad and only proving he's an idiot.

Wally Tue 02-Jan-18 19:22:02

Tweets???

Wally Tue 02-Jan-18 19:20:42

I have never voted Tory in my lifetime it's just that I cannot vote for this Labour party, and I'm an ardent brexiteer.

jura2 Tue 02-Jan-18 19:15:08

Wally - I am not sure I read you correctly- are you actually supporting Toby Young's tweets?

jura2 Tue 02-Jan-18 19:14:50

Wally - I am not sure I read you correctly- are you actually supporting Toby Young's tweets?

Wally Tue 02-Jan-18 19:14:27

Corbyn defied the Labour whip numerous times with his extreme left wing views. He bends with the wind and cannot be trusted. The Labour party have said that all the promises they made to young people to get their votes were only aspirations when we know that at the time they were stated as facts.

Nandalot Tue 02-Jan-18 19:08:40

I am still reeling at his tweets. Surely someone involved in Higher Education and with Free Schools (Director of the New Schools Network) should not tweet such sexist and misogynistic filth. Shows how far this government will go to pander to their cronies regardless of common decency.

Wally Tue 02-Jan-18 19:07:18

Oh dear, how patronising is that.

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 18:58:17

Harry Leslie Smith called Toby Young a human barnacle.

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 18:56:40

Even those who don't like skwalkbox should read it.
They won't, of course. Pleased his free school failed.
I wonder if the police should raid Toby Young's work computer.

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 18:54:17

This man has much more about him than the entitled Toby Young.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/christmas-great-depression-poverty-war-1930-a8127166.html

www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-kim-jong-un-second-world-war-94-years-old-harry-leslie-smith-nuclear-warning-a7932276.html

Nandalot Tue 02-Jan-18 18:46:05

Disgusting. How can such a slug be appointed to anything?

whitewave Tue 02-Jan-18 18:39:15

Oh! Yuk,yuk,yuk. He needs a slap and educating.

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 18:36:37

He did more than that, whitewave.
I await complaints and a petition to get him removed.

skwawkbox.org/2018/01/02/can-a-person-who-sends-these-tweets-be-a-fit-university-regulator/

whitewave Tue 02-Jan-18 18:32:22

Just noticed that Toby Young has been appointed to the office for studentsshock

Doesn’t he believe in eugenics? And didn’t he call working class students “stains”?

varian Tue 02-Jan-18 17:46:19

Perhaps the inclusion of EU students in the immigration statistics was more conspiracy than cock-up???

jura2 Tue 02-Jan-18 15:36:52

I am still waiting, VERY patiently- but perhaps losing hope.

Sometimes what you DON'T say - says more ...

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 12:44:45

Tory government and MPs being sensible again. Doesn't happen often, so praise where it's due.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-foreign-students-immigration-amber-rudd-boris-johnson-drop-the-target-a8136701.html

They should never have been included in the numbers of immigrants.

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 12:31:38

"EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
(a) privatised rail as a serial shambles creating artificial profits for the franchise holders and hidden costs for the public

Rail privatisation was promoted in the early 1990s with promises of a better, cheaper service for rail users requiring less subsidy by tax payers. Private rail companies would bring in capital and their business expertise which would transform the sector’s performance.

Twenty years later, the privatised rail system requires
billions more in tax payer subsidy each year (p. 24, exhibit 7) and has failed to bring in adequate private investment in track or trains (pp. 24-5) so that average age of rolling stock has actually increased (pp. 25-6, exhibit 9)

Rail privatisation created a situation whereby risk and investment averse private companies positioned themselves as value extractors, thanks to high
public subsidies. Government effectively took the operating risk, covering operating deficits and supplying investment funds. "

That definitely worked, didn't it?

MaizieD Tue 02-Jan-18 12:18:07

I live in hope, dj!

durhamjen Tue 02-Jan-18 11:57:51

How long are you going to wait, jura?

I don't think Wally will read that, Maizie. It would challenge his ideas.

MaizieD Tue 02-Jan-18 11:49:12

To nationalise the railways and all of the utilities would not only bankrupt us it would be rank stupidity.

It was privatisation that was rank stupidity. Particularly rail privatisation. I've posted the link to this report before but I'll do it again and hope that people, at the very least, read the executive summary. The only 'profits' that the private companies are making are courtesy the government subsidy. They are taking public money and paying it out in dividend to their shareholders. And contracts are agreed in such a way that any payment to the Treasury is made towards the end of the contract; at which point the franchisees seem to be developing the habit of dropping out, with a minimal penalty payment, so the Treasury (the taxpayer) gets next to nothing back.

The Great Train Robbery

hummedia.manchester.ac.uk/institutes/cresc/sites/default/files/GTR%20Report%20final%205%20June%202013.pdf

A couple of points from the Executive Summary:

TOCs can make profits only because since 2002 the quasi-public Network Rail runs the infrastructure with a public subsidy of around £4 billion each year (pp. 58-61, exhibit 28).
Less direct subsidy for the TOCs is balanced by more public subsidy and debt guarantees for Network Rail and in this way the Treasury keeps many of the costs of rail off the public balance sheet and creates the illusion of profitability among TOCs (pp. 73-6, exhibit 40).

Network Rail’s low track access charges are a massive indirect subsidy to the TOCs who have been paying less in charges even as they use the infrastructure more (p. 61, exhibit 29). The cost to the public is the higher annual subsidy for Network Rail plus an accumulated £30 billion of government guaranteed debt on the balance sheet of Network Rail (pp. 66-8, exhibit 35) which now spends more on debt interest payments than on railway maintenance (pp. 71-2, exhibit 38).

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