Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

Sadly Bridgeit in all honesty your comments are spot on in every respect, but you've only got to read the venomous comments on this forum to realise that any hopes of coalition in the wider world, is basically, to put it mildly, a non starter!!!

www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/news/2017/11/30/alliance-building-conference-2017

Is anyone refuting the Conservative u-turns listed in durhamjen's post?

What is it you don't believe eazybee?

All parties are in shambles, gone are the days when one could wholeheartedly get behind their favoured party. Sad to say no matter which party you support , their promises are unsustainable, & both ( there really is only the two to choose from in reality ,sadly) promise the earth , without an earthly of how they can deliver. I am in favour of a coalition party, where by they all work together for the good of all of us. Now where is the door to my cuckoo land !

So two right wingers have replied to a factual post with nasty personal jibes about another member of GN. No facts to refute what a useless lot this government is so it is safe to believe that personal spite is the only weapon in their armory to defend May's horrible government - there obviously isn't any political defence but then we knew that didn't we.

U turns aren’t always a bad thing you know, but are done for a reason.I would be more worried about a government that
never do any.

Are you saying the government didn't u-turn on all those promises, eazybee?

Ah but was it jen, looks more like yet another cut and paste job from somewhere.
durhamjen rarely uses her own words.

Warm glow indeed Jen. At least the official LP are managing to influence some small changes in the right direction.

Eazybee I see you go for "eazy" comments. I am sure we could all find such a silliness to say about your beliefs too.

It would be easier to believe you have any cognisance in what is actually happening rather than what the gutter press tell you to think if you told us where Jen has got it wrong factually.

The amazing thing is, you really believe it.

The Tory party has lost all competence, let alone sense of competence.
A list of 20 u-turns that have been made in 2017.

Brexit deal vote u-turn
Brexit impact assessment u-turn
European Court of Human Rights u-turn
Dementia Tax u-turn (unprecedentedly dropped from the manifesto before the GE)
Pensions triple lock u-turn
Housing benefit cap for supported housing u-turn
Self-employed National Insurance increase u-turn
School meals u-turn
NHS Professionals sell-off u-turn
Police funding u-turn
Fire safety in schools u-turn
Grammar schools u-turn
Abortion for Northern Irish women u-turn
Winter fuel payments u-turn
Universal Credit 7-day waiting period u-turn
Universal Credit freephone u-turn
Fox-hunting u-turn
Diesel tax u-turn
Manchester terror attack costs u-turn
Prisoner vote u-turn

Few if any of these u-turns would have happened had the Tories not been so weakened by Corbyn’s Labour taking a clear, firm stand – and the Labour surge resulting from the party presenting a genuine alternative.

2017 has been a historic year for Labour and much of that can be attributed to Corbyn’s vision, leadership and his strength in standing firm against an unprecedented media onslaught – and it’s been a better year for millions of UK people.

Gives you a warm glow, doesn't it?

Very thoughtful and caring, whitewave.

I thought that May had said that the post was essential to fill? So Green must have had plenty of time at his computer.I was going to describe his favourite activity but thought it was not something the grans could digest at this time of day.

By the way, that photo of Green and May was taken when May must have known that Green was having to go, at PMQs yesterday.
I am sure Damian will treasure it.

That's what was said on the paper review, GracesGran; how to get rid of the opposition. Has Hunt at last realised that the NHS is bigger than his ego? Or is he just leaving it to sink?

The "I" saying some are suggesting J Hunt has ambition to be deputy PM. Perhaps it is someone who has their own ambitions who is suggesting it.

Don't you just love this picture.

You have to ask who wanted him out of the cabinet. The economist describes him:

He remained on the left wing of the Conservative Party through thick and thin, and even contemplated leaving the party in the early 1980s for the breakaway Social Democrats, because he worried that Margaret Thatcher might tear the country apart.

It begs the question about whether the right wing brexiteers had a hand in this.

what recourse did she have?
You do know that she made her allegations first in an article in The Times? You're talking about a journalist as though they had no agency.

Exactly! Harmless A lot of Tories on here pretended they didn’t know the correct reason that persuaded the police to let the British people know the truth. Green had collaborated with the Heil to ruin Maltbys reputation, what recourse did she have?

It is disgusting and becoming clearer by the day the level that this government is hand in glove with such a disgraceful fascist rag as the Heil.

The police didn't make public the discovery of excessive amounts of porn found on Damien Green's computer in 2009 when it was discovered, because it wasn't relevant evidence for that case. (About political leaks from Green's office.)
But after Kate Maltby's allegations of sexual harassment, it became relevant evidence about Green's inappropriate sexual behaviour. So it was quite right to bring it into the open.
If the ex policeman had that evidence and had kept quiet about it during the investigation into Kate Maltby's allegations that would surely be wrong.
Green should have resigned weeks ago to save his friend the Prime Minister's embarrassment.

Oh! The glorious irony. Green was referred to the police after leaking confidential documents to the Heil between 2006 and 2008.

The Tories are frothing at the mouth (as they so often do) and demanding the traitor in the police force or retired should be hung drawn and quartered (I exaggerate but you get my drift). What glorious humbug.

OOOPS! Apologies for above post. Not for this thread but a different one.

"The EU is the engine room for extremism."
By Melanie Phillips

'Clumsy attempts to integrate our continent were doomed to failure and only bred resentment.'

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-eu-is-the-engine-room-for-extremism-kdnhrmk52

(There may be a pay wall. Some of the article, below.)

Excellent article in the Times. So many Remainers refuse to recognise how disenfranchised the people of Europe have become.

She writes: "In the minds of many Remainers, those who want to leave the EU hate Europe and Europeans. The idea that one might love visiting Europe and like Europeans but nevertheless not want to be ruled by them is apparently incomprehensible. Britain is pulling up an existential drawbridge. The Brexiteers’ desire to open up the world is deemed a retreat into isolationism."

"Behind all this lies a curious paradox. While Brexiteers believe they are about to reclaim their political identity, these Remainers feel that they are about to lose theirs."

"Yet far from standing for freedom and flexibility, the EU stands for the imposition of inflexible economic policies ruining vulnerable member states such as Greece and the extinction of the freedom to express national identity and culture through democratically elected institutions."

"Thus abandoned by the entire political mainstream, the peoples of Europe have started voting in droves for populist, nationalist and truly neo-fascist parties."

"In Austria the far-right Freedom Party, founded in the Fifties by former Nazis, has joined a governing coalition with the centre-right Austrian People’s Party. The Freedom Party leader and now vice-chancellor Heinz-Christian Strache has dismissed his youthful dalliance with neo-Nazism as occurring when he was “stupid, naive and young”.

"The Freedom Party first joined the Austrian government in 2000. On that occasion, the EU imposed diplomatic sanctions and demanded evidence that human rights would be protected. This was because it was supposed to be the guarantor that fascism would never again rise in Europe. Yet now the Freedom Party is back governing Austria and the EU is silent. The fact is that, far from proving the bulwark against extremism, it is facilitating its rise with neo-fascist parties gaining ground along with legitimate nationalist ones."

"EU supporters assume that the erosion of national boundaries and an ideology of enforced multiculturalism will create the brotherhood of man. They don’t. They create instead resentment, rage and extremism."

And your post eazyis the voice of calm reason. Thank you so much for that ??????