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Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

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GracesGranMK2 Sat 02-Dec-17 10:10:45

This is not an attack on individuals but on the ethos of conservatism. Since the war the CP has created the myth that they are competent. Recently we have seen:

Incompetence with the economy.
Incompetence with benefits
Incompetence with state pensions
Incompetence with support for business and industry via infrastructure
Incompetence in many areas with government administration
Incompetence with transport
Incompetence in the criminal justice system
Incompetence in defence
Incompetence in education
Incompetence in the NHS
Incompetence in running their own election

I am sure there are other areas. Why does anyone vote for this incompetence? Surely we deserve better?
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whitewave Sat 09-Dec-17 10:26:05

I don’t need to salve my conscience because I don’t support the sort of government that is ensuring more and more suffering of the children.

Talk about giving with one hand and taking with the other.

lemongrove Sat 09-Dec-17 10:22:45

There have been children in need in our society for as long as I can remember ww and yes, even under Labour Governments.
‘This broken society’ is a handy tag line.

lemongrove Sat 09-Dec-17 10:20:16

Charitable giving has nothing to do with salving consciences
Or didn’t you know that? Do you give to charity? Is is to salve your conscience? No, didn’t think so.

whitewave Sat 09-Dec-17 10:16:28

How absolutely ridiculous! By all means salvage your conscience by giving to charity, but nothing replaces proper government policy to heal this broken society.

lemongrove Sat 09-Dec-17 10:12:44

That’s why I always ( along with thousands of others) make The Salvation Army my charity.
The point is though, that wealthy people may well think the same and the charity benefits.

whitewave Sat 09-Dec-17 10:06:47

No problem for some though.

Did anyone hear thought for the day this morning.

Salvation Army chap. Last Christmas he was on duty in food and toy bank and had a couple coming in, both in tears as they had no money left after paying rent etc. What upset them most was that they told their 4 year old that there would be nothing from Father Christmas that year, and as a result the little soul was constantly asking if she had been too naughty that year.

Even Tories get moved to tears over the suffering of so many of our children, why oh why won’t they do anything.

lemongrove Sat 09-Dec-17 09:55:49

‘They should not have that much money’ ..........who are you to say what money people should have!
Or what they should do with it.
For all you know they could all give large cheques to charities at Christmas.

durhamjen Sat 09-Dec-17 09:52:14

You can buy a three bedroomed house in villages in County Durham and still have £30 thousand left over to decorate it.

The whole point, lemon, is that they should not have that much money to think of decorating their houses for just a couple of weeks.
That could keep four families for a year. It could go to Shelter and keep the homeless fed over Christmas. But they'd rather spend it on putting lights up over Christmas, so they can show off their wealth.
That's why it's obscene.
Doesn't surprise me that you can't see it.

lemongrove Sat 09-Dec-17 09:48:02

The wealthy have always spent money where they like, just as we with a lot less do.It’s their choice.

Jalima1108 Sat 09-Dec-17 09:42:58

Yes, probably - but look on the positive side - it is providing jobs for many talented people.

How much will I have to pay the DGC to decorate my Christmas tree I wonder hmm - or should I hire them out as elves and sugar plum fairies?

durhamjen Sat 09-Dec-17 09:31:19

"For many families, coming together to decorate the Christmas tree is the official start of the festive season, but for a growing number of very wealthy people it is just another task to be outsourced to professional help for as much £80,000.

Calling in a Knightsbridge florist to hang a wreath on your front door and install and decorate a fir tree costs a minimum of £1,500. But the battle among London’s elite to produce the most spectacular Christmas displays has intensified, with professional events companies being called in to create winter wonderland house and garden displays that can come with ice rinks, live reindeer and even actors playing Santa or sugar plum fairies.

“Hiring florists for Christmas has been happening for years,” said Becky Handley, director of the event production company Theme Traders. “But in the last few years people have started calling in event planners to come up with themes and make a real production with professional lighting and cherrypickers to decorate the roof.” "

Obscene, isn't it?
As it says in trump's tax reform, they need to read their bible more.

durhamjen Sat 09-Dec-17 09:18:51

Whatever else they tell you, money doesn't matter to the government. They print it themselves and have been doing since the crash.
They just give it to the wrong people on the premise of trickledown, just like America.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/12/06/trumps-tax-reform/

whitewave Sat 09-Dec-17 06:45:43

What is alarming me more than anything else is the work and money any future government will have to invest in getting out country back to some sort of reasonable level.

Given the fact they have thrown away untold billions over Brexit, it leaves precious little to do anything with.

I dispair at what we could be doing with the money going down 5he drain.

durhamjen Sat 09-Dec-17 00:02:45

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/dec/08/stephen-hawking-lawsuit-foiling-jeremy-hunt-nhs-shake-up

This is brilliant. Can't wait. Hope it stops him.

durhamjen Thu 07-Dec-17 17:28:11

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/blog/freedom-of-information-dexeu-cabinet-office-foi

DexEU is not the only department that keeps things secret.

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 22:50:54

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/06/police-threaten-to-deport-polish-man-seeking-help-after-attack

A way to reduce immigration.

Blinko Wed 06-Dec-17 21:43:01

I think it's clear that this particular bunch of incompetents is running out of steam. Whether the other lot would serve us any better is surely a moot point. None of them appear to have a long term vision with sufficient practical application to deliver it; nor do they have any strategic thinking beyond the next five minutes years. I despair!

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 21:34:48

kittysjones.wordpress.com/2017/12/06/hammond-shamefully-claims-uk-productivity-rates-low-because-more-disabled-people-are-in-work/

He's made that one up.
He deserves to go for saying that. Disgraceful.
The reason more disabled people are in work is because they are not allowed to have any quality of life. They have had their benefits cut.
Even people with life-threatening illnesses are being forced to look for work, sometimes dying before they get any benefit.

THIS GOVERNMENT IS SICK.

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 21:17:15

More important as it looks as though Davis is going to be let off the hook by Tory and DUP committee members.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Dec-17 20:16:02

So well put and horrifyingly true Jen.

mostlyharmless Wed 06-Dec-17 20:04:49

Hear Hear! (Does anybody say that any more?)

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 19:58:54

"But I would not stop at Davis. Nor would I stop at his department. The entire administration now has to go.

Every MP on the Opposition benches, in Labour, in the SNP, in the Liberal Democrats, in Plaid Cymru, Caroline Lucas of the Green Party, and all the ‘Others’, must now unite to demand that the whole Government of Theresa May resign. The position of the entire administration is untenable, and not just because of Davis’ fabrications. The Government’s position has in fact been indictable since the day Article-50 was activated in March, and so the whole Government has to stand down.

What Davis has admitted is even more serious than some people realise; no one in the Conservative Party has been making necessary assessments of Brexit’s likely effects. The Referendum was effectively called in May 2015 when the Tories won that year’s General Election, including it as a gesture to ‘buy’ up assurances of support from the party’s extremist fringe. Since then, two-and-a-half years have passed, during which the Referendum has been and gone, the Leave vote won, Article-50 has been activated, and we have had approximately six months of fruitless negotiations in Brussels. In all of that time, no one in either Cameron’s Government or May’s has even bothered to assess what the actual impact of Brexit will be?

That admission is even more appalling than Davis’ fictitious boasts about what a thorough assessment his department had carried out. After all, if the country does not know what impact ending the current settlement with the EU will have, how can it know what it will need from the new settlement? Little wonder therefore that negotiations with the EU’s representatives are going so badly, when British officials and politicians do not even know the implications of anything they ask for, or even precisely what they need to ask for, or for that matter what will happen if they do not get what they ask for. They have been driving in the dark without headlights for half a year, which has meant progress has not only been difficult, it has been logically impossible; how can progress be made towards a destination that has not even been identified or defined?

These details were central to everything about how Brexit is to be carried out, and until they were properly calculated, it was insanity on Theresa May’s part choosing to activate Article-50 so soon. It started a two-year countdown, and over half of the first year of precious negotiating time has been wasted on a reckless General Election backfire, and aimless thrashing-about when finally at the table. There is no point in childishly continuing to blame EU officials for the logjams, the fault is entirely on the British side.

Have we ever known chaos in Government quite like this? In living memory, the UK has seen infighting, economic tribulations, weak Governments and social unrest. But the current instability is something of a quite unusual order, and as yet, we have not even withdrawn from the EU. Can you imagine what will happen when we do? Brexit has exposed incompetence unprecedented in any British Government since before the World Wars, and Theresa May’s whole administration is implicated in it from top to bottom.

By failing to carry out the Brexit impact assessment, the Conservative Government is guilty of dereliction-of-duty, and so must resign and call a fresh General Election for early in the New Year."

Martin Odoni.

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 18:52:31

But the MSM forgot to tell people. Or hadn't worked it out themselves.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Dec-17 18:43:29

I see we have the DM model of economic being thrown out again. All the LP will do is spend and borrow. This is propaganda. THE TORY PARTY HAS BORROWED MORE THAN THE LABOUR PARTY SINCE THE WAR.

mostlyharmless Wed 06-Dec-17 18:32:35

A Labour Government would invest in the economy and create jobs. Basic economic principles.
Austerity is just destroying the economy and destroying people's lives.

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