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Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

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GracesGranMK2 Sat 02-Dec-17 10:10:45

This is not an attack on individuals but on the ethos of conservatism. Since the war the CP has created the myth that they are competent. Recently we have seen:

Incompetence with the economy.
Incompetence with benefits
Incompetence with state pensions
Incompetence with support for business and industry via infrastructure
Incompetence in many areas with government administration
Incompetence with transport
Incompetence in the criminal justice system
Incompetence in defence
Incompetence in education
Incompetence in the NHS
Incompetence in running their own election

I am sure there are other areas. Why does anyone vote for this incompetence? Surely we deserve better?
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suzied Mon 04-Dec-17 17:00:59

I guess paying for treatment has become more and more common - many of us use private dentistry without thinking as the NHS dental service in our area is non existent or doesn't provide the treatments we would like , ditto opticians, osteopaths, non urgent operations such a hysterectomy which otherwise they would have to wait months in pain on a waiting list, so savings are used up . Its become more and more a two-tier system.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 17:27:01

If it becomes clear that no talks were held with the DUP before the talks about the Irish issue - it simply underlines the incompetence of the wretched government,

varian Mon 04-Dec-17 18:36:31

I wouldn't be surprised if the talks with the DUP were just about the size of the bribe the British taxpayers would have to pay for them to prop up TM's weak and unstable government.

durhamjen Mon 04-Dec-17 18:57:20

infacts.org/public-want-final-say-brexit-deal/

Incompetence in knowing what the public want.

jura2 Tue 05-Dec-17 11:58:37

Now for a serious question - should Mrs May step down, or be forced to step down - who, but who (who?) has te capacity to unite the party (never mind the UK) and negotiate effectively (as well as deal with all the other issues Brexit is hiding - NHS, education, housing, social services, etc, etc).

jura2 Tue 05-Dec-17 11:59:22

I mean, can you imagine a Bojo, Gove and Rees Mogg trio getting the job (sssssss) done?

durhamjen Tue 05-Dec-17 20:10:03

I have read today that she is going to do a sack me or back me a la Major. Just a Tory spokesman saying so, so probably fake news.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/12/05/the-eu-tax-haven-list-is-very-bad-news-for-jersey-guernsey-and-the-isle-of-man/

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/12/05/the-eus-message-to-tax-havens-has-one-real-target-and-thats-the-uk/

Makes interesting reading.
Dare the government try and turn us into a tax haven for their mates?

durhamjen Tue 05-Dec-17 20:34:03

Nurses bursaries?

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/nhs-nurse-bursary-england-number-first-year-support-fees-ucas-jeremy-hunt-rcn-a8091131.html

They can't say they weren't warned this would happen.

MaizieD Tue 05-Dec-17 20:34:39

Well, it seems to be pretty clear that those 58 'in depth' impact studies either weren't 'in depth' at all or didn't actually exist

This series of tweets

start

Replying to @jessicaelgot
One senior peer: "You can't call it a Brexit impact assessment because it makes no assessment of the impact."

Jessica Elgot‏Verified account

Labour MP says all the information in Brexit impact analysis is stuff sourced to select committee hearings and press releases...

Adrian Farrell ??‏

I had it confirmed the other night by someone in Department for Business, Energy & Industrial Strategy that the Brexit impact assessment did not exist at the time of parlaiments vote to release them

Adrian Farrell ??‏

Suffice to say it was a very busy 3 weeks. Interestingly they didn't think a charge of contempt of Parlaiment would be brought as no one really knows what that means and what it entails

Adrian Farrell ??‏

It was also the personal opinion of head of department Greg Clark that releasing a comprehensive and unredacted assessment would stop brexit

end

(poor guy can't spell Parliament)

And these which I'll link to:

twitter.com/Susannah4Europe/status/938129941073465344

shockshockshockangryangryangryshockshock

durhamjen Tue 05-Dec-17 20:37:36

Who is going to sack Davis, though?

He was going to resign if Green was sacked, but he can't even stick to that as he's u-turning.

Granny23 Tue 05-Dec-17 22:55:10

Burseries - Well done the Scottish Government again.

durhamjen Tue 05-Dec-17 23:02:02

Yes, Granny23, and no university fees either.
Scotland looks after its young, instead of pretending to.

durhamjen Tue 05-Dec-17 23:12:49

They can't even competently choose a leader, either.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/12/05/none-of-the-above/

I am surprised Anna Soubry is not on the list.

jura2 Wed 06-Dec-17 10:04:35

Apologies for repeating, but as no-one who is a Conservative supporter has replied, I will ask again:

Now for a serious question - should Mrs May step down, or be forced to step down - who, but who (who?) has te capacity to unite the party (never mind the UK) and negotiate effectively (as well as deal with all the other issues Brexit is hiding - NHS, education, housing, social services, etc, etc).

Iam64 Wed 06-Dec-17 12:26:24

I'm waiting for Conservative views on this

I don't see any one who has the capacity to unite the party. Additionally, if the party wanted to do as promised after saying they'd heard the electorate at the last election, the austerity programme would have changed. It hasn't.
We need a Labour Government to address the real worries about public services, sooner rather than later.

mostlyharmless Wed 06-Dec-17 14:10:31

Perhaps it's time for a vote of no confidence in this shambolic Government.
And a general election.
Not sure if the numbers add up though.

goldengirl Wed 06-Dec-17 15:19:15

In answer to the Post question: YES!
I've lost all confidence in their 'competence'

Morgana Wed 06-Dec-17 16:17:32

I would imagine that a General Election would reduce the amount of tory seats. No one seems think they are doing a good job at moment. Not even conservative voters. Cannot imagine how they think they will keep getting away with cuts to police, education, N.H.S. etc etc. Or is this a ploy to get out of government given the impending disasters?

mostlyharmless Wed 06-Dec-17 17:42:21

But could Labour, SNP, Lib dems get together enough votes to carry a no confidence motion?
Possibly the DUP might be annoyed enough to abstain?

varian Wed 06-Dec-17 17:48:17

What we need is for at least some of the Tory Remainers to have the courage to vote for what they believe, even if it probably means an end to their careers as Conservative MPs.

In spite of everything they have been amazingly loyal and have gone against their better judgement (starting when they voted to trigger Article 50). Some of the more moderate ones might find a home in the Liberal Democrats.

whitewave Wed 06-Dec-17 17:52:39

What I find absolutely incredible is that the majority in Parliament and the Lords feel so strongly that it is not in the national interest to pursue this disastrous policy, and yet all we hear are the loons. When will they actually put the country before party?

Iam64 Wed 06-Dec-17 18:13:50

whitewave,excellent question.

eazybee Wed 06-Dec-17 18:24:13

No. We do not need a Labour government to end this austerity programme. All they would do is what they always do: spend, borrow, spend borrow, and then leave an even larger deficit.
And encourage the dependency culture.

mostlyharmless Wed 06-Dec-17 18:30:08

Quite - Mogg as favourite to replace May? Duncan-Smith explaining why we need a hard Brexit.
Where are all the moderate Tories? In hiding?

suzied Wed 06-Dec-17 18:30:27

So the Conservative haven't built up a huge deficit by spending / borrowing?

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