Corbyns Inertia

I don't know Primrose65 and I suspect neither do you. The people who I do know who know Iran are of varying persuasions and have differing opinions. They acknowledge that there is always more going on than you think. Politics in Iran is complicated.
Interesting that their Prime Minister collected over 70%of the votes in May and they now have riots. www.nytimes.com/2017/05/20/world/middleeast/iran-election-hassan-rouhani.html
Ours barely clung on and nobody says anything!

Is she a westerner?
I thought she had dual nationality, which Iran doesn't recognise, like other countries.

So when Iran accuses westerners like Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe of stirring up dissent you think they have a point trisher?

GCHQ, trisher, the last I read.
Of course, primrose thinks that everything bad was started by Corbyn.
Never mind.
Starting a thread called Corbyn's inertia, then complaining that he doesn't say anything?
Surely she wants his inertia to prove her point.

So you don't think the Iranian Revolution was triggered by the corrupt regime of the Shah introduced and supported by the West?
Why do you think Saudi Arabia had over 150 executions in 2016? Because they both apply the same laws, only one you are constantly condemning and the other you refuse to comment about. Double standards or what?
And actually the riots may be, as the Iranian authorities assert, triggered through western under cover intervention. We used to think that wasn't possible, but we now know better.

The comment about prejudice was to primrose, Jalima.
I make jam, too, and chutney.
He took a box of chocolates. It didn't say what sort, I don't think.

Do you mean trump's my button is bigger than your button comments?

I have opinions about Corbyn and his hypocrisy trisher.
I had no idea that 'the West' made the Iranian Revolutionary Court hand out so many execution orders. It's pretty insulting to say that leaders in Iran do not have any agency or power over the country they run.

Well, having listened to Trump this week I am inclined to think that it's better to be silent and be thought a dangerous fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.

So you only have opinions about executions when you can criticise Corbyn Primrose65 It is pathetic that people are prepared to see only a small fraction of a huge problem. Iran is a problem largely created by the West and possibly still maintained by them. What do you want Corbyn to say? Something condemnatory? Why? Do you think that will help? Do you think that will change one thing in Iran? He consistently says progress can only be made through communication.And this strange belief "Iran Bad Country" "Saudia Arabia Good Country" is so odd. They both abuse human rights but of course only one buys our arms

All you are doing there is comfirming your own prejudice.
Prejudice against what or whom?

Nothing wrong with home-made jam, I make it too

Links, primrose?

The past is relevent , it's where Corbyn wants to take the country

This is a thread about Corbyn, trisher so I'll keep my comments about him.
He knows enough about the regime to speak at Khomeinist rallies - they're on Youtube if you want to hear his opinions.
He does criticise the history, the human rights records of past leaders, not the current ones who pay him money though.

He even says the past is very relevant. I have found common ground with JC, as I think his past is relevant too.

Maybe he hoped to influence them Primrose65
He will know something of the regime. But even people who are Iranians don't fully understand what is happening now. So why should he comment? Last night on Newsnight a journalist who knows Iran said that the protesters do not have an agenda, have not asked for anything, so it is difficult to understand what is happening. Presumably if you have an opinion you can post that but it isn't necessarily helpful for politicians to comment about regimes and riots.
If executions bother you you might like to look at the record of the Saudis who are such close friends.

The Labour party is full of middle classes telling the working class what they want.

Perhaps you could tell us what the working class want, Day6? Then we could see how their aspirations fail to be satisfied by the Labour party.

But how does he know nothing about the regime? You do know why Ofcom banned them trisher? Threatening to execute a journalist.
He knew that too, he still appeared after that and was paid.

It was the same year as that CRESC report on the railways that keeps getting posted, so hardly 'a history lesson'.

He worked for a short time for the official Iranian broadcasting company. He said about this
I used the opportunities to address the issues of the Western relationship with the whole region, address the issues of Iraq, and also address issues of human rights – even in a very difficult atmosphere when you’re dealing with countries and governments that clearly don’t have the same human rights agenda that I do or we do around this table.
Everywhere I’ve ever travelled I’ve always raised the issues of human rights, however easy or difficult it is.
He ceased working for them shortly after they were banned by Of com.
Shall we stick to the present and not do a history lesson?

They paid him to talk on TV Jen. What would you prefer to call it?

Did Corbyn work for Iran, Primrose? I think you are exaggerating there.

Perhaps Corbyn should have taken that view before he accepted their money trisher?
I can't see how you can work for a regime on one hand and then not comment on their human rights abuses 'because it's complicated'.

It is a very complex country and the vested interests involved have also to be taken into account. Anyone's comments need to be taken with a pinch of salt because there may be a hidden agenda. My Gran always said "If you know nowt, say nowt." More people should apply that.

re not commenting on Iran - there was a good debate about this on France 24 last night. 3 of the 4 debaters were Iranians, some living elsewherenow.
There was little consensus about the reasons, so not surprising that Corbyn hasn't given an opinion.
Iran seems to me to be different from the other middle east muslim countries. It was originally Persia.

She's way out of touch on much more than that, trisher.

Day6 You are way out of touch the Glastonbury audience it's much older than you think- it's not just working class kids who can't afford the tickets. Even The Telegraph knows this
www.telegraph.co.uk/goodlife/11681483/Picture-a-typical-Glastonbury-goer.-Now-tell-us-their-age.html
Youngsters only go to do the cleaning up.

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