Corbyns Inertia

annie not sure you have the right year have you?

Let’s look at the 1970s then so that we can throw some light on what everyone is debating.

1970-1974 Heath Government
Breton woods
Decimalisation
U.K. joined the EEC
Height of the NI troubles
Oil crises and minors strike
State of emergency declared
3 day week

1974 Callaghan Government
Winter 78/9 winter of discontent
Leading to the
Thatcher government in 1979.

The historian Dominic Sandbrook looks at what life was like for the ordinary individual during this decade, and it was by no means as bad as we are lead to believe.
“The Cultural texture of British life changed more quickly during that decade then any other post war period”

For most folk they were experiencing all sorts of things that their parents could only dream if.

To think in 1983 there were millions of Trisher s moaners who voted Tory because they had suffered through a decade of what Trisher calls their figments of their imagination,

One wonders if this is said at Momentum training days too.

It was a decade of strikes, no figment of imagination, and please must we fall for the - all workers will lose all rights, canvassing by fear? Not good , not honest

Corbyn tweeted yesterday

Please support @helprefugees by sending essential items and your support.

Corbyn tweeted today

There are 100000 vacancies in the NHS because of the starvation of funds by this government.

Just reading the Corbyn interview in GQ. It's one of the magazines I can read for free online via my local library (if yours has this scheme, do register for it and get a log in!)

You can hear the interviewers frustration as things progress - he doesn't listen to political programs, doesn't read books, doesn't go to the cinema, doesn't even listen to Theresa May if she makes a speech.
He was cycling though Norfolk at the time and "Laura picked bits and pieces on her phone and told me about it"

He appears to be almost a hostage to Seamus Milne & others and there's a fair amount written about how the various remain campaigns tried for several months in the run up to Brexit to get JC to engage - he pretty much ignored them.
The Corbyn fanbase "are, quite simply, adoring fans with all the lack of critique that brings."
An interesting comparison they noted was that Tony Blair is just 3 years younger than him.

Overall, it paints quite a sad picture of a slow & old man, disinterested in everything apart from his own political beliefs, who is being used by others. He may look like Sean Connery on the cover but I think Alastair Campbell would have written a more flattering article.

I'm sure plenty of women don't want to go back to the 1970s ww

Getting a mortgage was not easy for us- I was unable to work, and OH had severe health problems- a direct consequence of working 130-140 hrs a week - and nobody wanted to give him life insurance or a mortgage - because of this.

He has done so well, and is very fit at 71 - but he was not expected to make it to 50.

Apparently it is recorded that the 70s have been the most happy times for people in the U.K. in recent history.

I lived through the 70s as well as the moaners on here. I didn't have too bad a time. I moved around the country quite a bit, could always find somewhere to rent, could always get a job. Eventually settled and got a mortgage easily enough. These dark, dreadful days are a figment of some people's imaginations. Still who wants workers' rights? Well surprisingly enough those at the bottom of the food chain who are working zero hours contracts. Still why bother about them when you are suitting comfortably?

www.redpepper.org.uk/the-myth-of-the-1970s/

Parallel Universe....

If the GVT via Brexit get rid of worker's rights re max number of hours, minimum wage, zero hrs contracts, maternity leave, pension rights, etc. - then strikes will be back - and not 'just' for workers in traditional industries.

Workers' right were achieved by he sweat, tears and sacrifices of our workforce, with Labour - no-one will want to lose them for sure.

And if you think that junior doctors will agree to put their life and those of others at risk by going back to working 130-140 hrs a week - you really will have a shock. This is not the way to solve the fact we are losing so many doctors and nurses, from UK and from the EU and the rest of the world- whilst not training sufficient replacements even for the current shortage, then ?!?

The unions manage to do that very well on their own trisher - they don't need any help.
They are struggling to be relevant to anyone since the structural changes in the economy. How can they justify those large salaries & interest free non-repayable loans to those at the top of the union without calling for an odd strike about safety or administration process every now and then?

Yes lemon, but it was the nasty press which cost labour the 1983 election, Trisher says so, the strikes were made up by the nasty press, they didn't happen.

Possibly becuse the press were busy stirring up anti-union and anti-labour feelings lemongrove much as they still are.

It’s a conundrum wrapped in an enigma and tied up with mystery ribbon, isn’t it Annie ?

Lemon, history has been rewritten by the far left, the seventies were bliss, few hiccups like power strikes, rail strikes, miners strikes, car factory strikes, refuge collection strikes, grave diggers strike and more , so this leaves a question, living in the utopia of the seventies why did the country get rid of a labour government in 1983

People were sick to death of strikes, wild cat ones especially.

Always in denial?
Why did Labour lose a few elections at that time, hmmm?

We only got a mortgage with a lot of help, as the mortgage lenders would not take a wife’s earnings into consideration at that time.
We didn’t start life as a married couple with our own house.

I always avoid seeing or listening to Paul Mason, apart from the fact I don’t agree with his politics ( he likes Corbyn and Momentum so nuff said) he comes across as very arrogant.

At least you could get a mortgage lemongrove and could buy a property at a younger age. Today over 53% of 25-34year olds think they will never own their own home
www.royalmailgroup.com/cy/node/667
Says a lot about Thatcher's home owning democracy doesn't it.
This idea that the Unions are responsible for sinking the country is laughable. It wasn't the unions who closed pits and created a benefits culture in the NE.

I’ve just read the Mason article in my morning paper, and I must say that I don’t recognise it in your biased argument at all pogs

Let’s look at what he actually said.

He starts off by describing the people in charge at the BBC in 2001. He says that they were largely from the same universities and had a uniformity if thinking. Well, yes we know from research and record for that to be true. Mason calls them the elite. Well yes I think that the concept of the elite does cover those who control the media, big business and government. As well as top civil servants etc.
We know without being told of the assumption of British values, the concept of fair play etc that these elites held.

Mason contrasts that with what is happening at the moment, with the anger and vitriol being put about by some members of the elite, towards others of their group.
Group think has broken down

Would you disagree with that pogs ? I wouldn’t.

Mason then argues that he can’t remember a time when different wings of the Tory party were so intent on destroying the other. In fact more than they want to destroy the left.

Now that I’m not convinced is correct, but I will watch as things work out throughout the next year or so and see if Mason is correct.

Reasons for this behaviour?

Brexit, where the elite’s rhetoric of taking back control and making a bonfire of the regulations amidst great national joy would result in their gaining popularity once more.
It hasn’t been quite so successful as First intended. The elite have lost control of Labour.

So because the Tories screwed up Brexit, Cooper screwed up the leadership and May screwed up almost everything, the elite Mason argues are as mad as hell.

No Tory bias there,is there? - he spreads his argument pretty fairly wouldn’t you say?

So says mason, far from as the tradition goes the elite are reliable under crises, they have well and truly lost their cool. Oppose the government and you are branded a traitor.

Yes we’ve seen that only last week.

Support Labour and you are a Marxist traitor.

Yes that is frequently said in GN - parroting the more extreme Tory press.

Defend progressive values, like caring about knowledge and reasoned argument and you are a luvvie. So often said during the referendum, and since when the Tory press like to trash judges and lawyers and anyone remotely foreign .

Care to disagree with that?

Right now he ends the U.K. looks like a sitting duck for any external force who wishes to destabilise it. The FBI are looking at what the Russians did during the referendum.

Mason goes on to predict an almighty explosion in the Tory party and an election in 2018.

Nothing wrong in that is there? Most pundits are crystal ball gazing at this time of year.

It is a Christmas past time.

The 1970’s and the unions nearly sank this country!
Which was exactly why Mrs Thatcher was able to stay in power for so long.Some people have very short memories.
Our mortgage repayments(interest) were so high that we barely had money for anything else.

But was not attractive to the country in 1983