More Brexit lunacy

It is always the same areas which suffer the most with any downturn etc. From time to time they get great uplifting news - such as when Nissan moved in - but then they are slapped down again. Wales is another area -like the NE the people have worked hard mainly on physical jobs such as mining, but once that work has gone it is difficult to get any other large industry to replace it. I just feel so sorry for the people - the outlook must make them feel depressed.

I cannot understand the minds of these people in power who seeing the reports on what will happen to the various areas cannot just say that having seen the likely outcome of Brexit it is better for the communities and people of the U.K. to remain within the EU. It is the job of Parliament to do the BEST for the people and the country not go ahead willy nilly ruining it.

.......and as expected the North East is the region that is predicted to suffer the biggest losses.

Anyone surprised?

Brexit would wreck the British economy but it would not damage everyone's finances. Some folk would be alright (I can't bring myself to name them)

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jacob-rees-mogg-line-huge-personal-windfall-britain-exits-single-market/07/02/

Just heard someone ask "Is Brexit worth wide-spread economic damage". It would be interesting to know what the Leavers think. I am not really interested in them telling me that they don't think it will happen; I think we have heard too much of these, over emotional, not based on fact, opinions but if it is a real possibility would they still want to go ahead and the devil take the hindmost?

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The second meeting of the Cabinet sub-committee on Brexit is due to start at 11am. Our Owen had some intel on the first meeting yesterday, with one of those present revealing there were some ‘robust’ exchanges, and “people lived up to their stereotypes”. Most tellingly, the PM didn’t put forward her own position on the immigration and Northern Ireland questions. The Sun reports that NI Secretary Karen Bradley has been added to the sub-committee, shifting its balance back towards ‘Remain’ to help allies like Philip Hammond outnumber Boris Johnson’s merry crew.

YouGov reported in late 2016 that JRM’s support was overwhelmingly male, elderly, professional and south coast. It figures. yougov.co.uk/profileslite#/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/demographics
I was polled yesterday on him - I wonder if it’s changed. I think he’s very dangerous with his oh-so-polite veneer. And as someone said above, he stands to make a killing if he can push the country his way. www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/jacob-rees-mogg-line-huge-personal-windfall-britain-exits-single-market/07/02/

Don’t forget that the Economist Minford would, of choice prefer a no deal. Never mind that this would destroy our farmers, agriculture and manufacturing sectors.

He prefers that the top 1% reap the benefits a no hold barred economy would bring to the wealthy.

Mogg agrees entirely with Minford as do a number of headbangers who appear to have a hold on May.
Their argument would be that free trade would ensure that our food would come primarily from China, and India, where cheap oppressed labour ensures that food can be produced relatively cheaply although by the time it reaches our shores the tariffs, transport costs and potentially disruption in the food supply does not make it as far as I am concerned an attractive or desirable option.

More to add to the figures above.

Business services up to 6%
Other services 2-10%
Financial services 10%
Defence, education and health 6%-16%
Wholesale and retail 7%-20%

Hope he's going to share it out among the rest of Somerset, if nobody else. I don't think he's interested in the North East.

Mogg is set to gain an enormous personal windfall post Brexit.

Perhaps he should declare his interest in Brexit!!

There is a lot of dog-whistle anti-semitism going on at the moment over Soros funding the remain camp.

George Soros has the temerity to criticise Trump and the far right government in Poland amongst others.

Did anyone else think that, in PMQs this week, May was struggling to be the usual dictatorial right wing PM the party expect but looked decidedly wobbly. I wonder if she is finally beginning to see that telling everyone how to think, feel and act will not work when they see the figures like the recent ones. The timing of the remain predictions may have been out - there is often a margin on timing were research is concerned and they foolishly went for the worst instead of the middle - but nothing factual is being brought forward says that we will not be poorer, in some cases much poorer, than we have been in the EU.

The following are the sort of tariffs that will bear on the goods produced by the U.K.. Prices will rise appropriately.

Machinery and equipment 2%-6%
Chemical/rubber, plastic 6-12%
Other manufacturing 5-12%
Motor vehicles 5-13%
Food and drink 8-16%
Agriculture 8-17%

Of course business will also be bearing the cost of the mass of extra bureaucracy in the form or such stuff as country of origin, extra VAT (rule changes) etc I guess this will have to be passed on the end consumer.

How can you get a consensus on taking some more people into inevitable poverty though?

Showing them on the news channel now.

Not letting them out until they agree with who, or what?

Could be dj.
Kuenssberg has tweeted these forecast figures too (though slightly inaccurately).
She says the cabinet may need a lock-in at Chequers to get consensus!

Could this be why the BBC has removed it?

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-07/u-k-plc-makes-an-urgent-appeal-to-theresa-may-on-brexit

BBC part of this appeal.

The BBC seems to have removed these detailed "forecasts" from their website in the last half hour. The link above (I eventually found it on Twitter) still works at the moment! It gives forecasts for every region in three different scenarios.

I've found the link again.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42977967

The Government's studies on the economic effects of "no deal" Brexit is actually on BBC news at ten. I though they were going to gloss over the implications but they went on to look at it in some detail.
Shocking figures really. It would (as most Remainers expected) plunge us into a recession with the North East, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales being badly hit. It was all on the BBC news website too. Then it mysteriously seemed to disappear.
Twitter seem to be blaming the BBC of reporting anti- Brexit figures. Official government figures!

Some simply will not care that others are going to be worse off and some will not believe it until it is an actuality suzied.

I am proud to be a citizen of Brighton. Eurovision From the Dome and the BBC seems to be using blue flags to blot out the euro flags. They are everywhere!!

People like Mogg will be vastly more wealthy