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Is this young woman a terrorist?

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jura2 Thu 04-Jan-18 09:49:03

Who am I?

I am a Palestinian girl.

Before I was born, the occupation took most of my village’s lands to build a new settlement called Halamish.

Then they arrested my father. When my aunt went to visit him, one of the soldiers pushed her over the stairs of the court and she died.

Since I was little the settlers of Halamish keep stealing more and more of our lands to expand the settlement.

Our home has demolition order because it is in Area C. The settlers are allowed to build on our land, but not us.

In 2005, the settlers made the spring of our village part of the settlement and prevent us from using it, even though many of us are farmers.

All these things happened with great support from the Occupation army and government.

When the people of the my village started to resist the injustices with protest marches, my father was arrested again.
My mother was arrested too. My uncles, aunts, brothers, cousins - all of them were arrested too.

My cousin Mustafa was killed by the Israeli army. My uncle Rushdi was killed by the army too!

Later, an Israeli sniper shot my mom in the leg and she couldn’t move for long time.

Almost every week, the army breaks into our homes to arrest one of my family or to confiscate our laptops or phones.
During our marches, they shoot us with tear gas rubber bullets - my cousin is in hospital badly injured because he was shot in the face the week before.

A few days ago, two soldiers came to our house to take positions to shoot at the demonstrators from my village. I stood with my family to prevent them, the soldier pushed me and I slapped him.
And now I am in jail!
My mother and my cousin are in jail too!
The occupation government and media call me a terrorist.
Do you know who I am?

And what would you do if that was your life? Or the life of your child?

OldMeg Thu 04-Jan-18 15:08:15

The mistake was creating the state of Israel in the first place. Yes, I can understand the knee jerk reaction after the atrocities of WW2, but to simply annex land and create a new state means someone else has lost.

The fact is the ‘Promised Land’ was lots to the Jewish Nation a very long time ago.

It was inevitable that this tinder box situation would be the result, but hey ho! we Brits (and others) just love interfering in other nations politics and boundaries. Colonialists to the core.

Carolpaint Thu 04-Jan-18 15:05:42

Let us face it, if Israel razed what is left of Palestine killing every Palestnian, after a bit of hand wringing the rest of the world would do nothing. Aid goes to both Israel and Palestine. The ratio of Israeli deaths and Palestinian is roughly 1 Israeli to 10 Palestinian. I am sorry that fairness and UN resolutions are ignored.
Trump is advised by an Orthodox Jew, Jared his son in law, his favourite daughter converted, so say goodbye to any peace settlement. His decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel makes it clear where his and the USA's allegiance is.

HannahLoisLuke Thu 04-Jan-18 14:41:05

Jura2 is not the child in the story but someone telling her story. I have sympathy with the Palestinians but I'm afraid that their way of handling the Israeli encroachment, and that is surely what it is, does not earn them sympathy around the world. I remember thinking, at the time of 9/11 this will go on and on until Palestine has a homeland. Everything is just getting worse and worse. The whole of the Middle East is a tinder box. I don't know the answer, do any of you?
Just look at a map of Palestine pre 1948 and compare it to now!

MinniesMum Thu 04-Jan-18 14:25:14

Blueskies
The Palestinians are receiving aid and shipments of Arms from other muslim countries notably Iran who have publicly stated their desire to murder all Jews and raze Israel to the ground. So, for the sake of their religion, they would destroy the only successful democracy in the Middle East, the only country providing jobs and a good living, healthcare and education to its people. A substantial percentage of Israelis are muslims and I don't think they are rushing to join their "brothers" anywhere else, anytime soon.

Skyandblossom Thu 04-Jan-18 13:44:24

Here’s a video of the girl, Ahed Tamimi, slapping and kicking a soldier, who does not retaliate. The soldiers were there to stop a violent riot following the announcement that the US was moving its embassy.

www.thejc.com/comment/comment/give-her-an-oscar-ahed-tamimi-has-a-track-record-in-provoking-israeli-soldiers-1.451345

According to the Jerusalem Post, her family have a record of using their children to try to provoke Israeli soldiers. One of her cousins was convicted of directing a terrorist attack on a Jerusalem pizza restaurant in 2001 in which 15 people died and 130 were injured. Most of them were children and young mothers.
www.kerenmalki.org/Sbarro_Massacre.htm

Lilyflower Thu 04-Jan-18 13:31:12

So the right is all on one side and the wrong all on the other? I don't think so. The world isn't like that and I see so many people who are delusional and blind to facts and evidence and who are prejudiced in their outlook in day to day life to take this story at face value.

When I started reading the narrative I was horrified and then it quickly became apparent from other posts that the original commenter was not as straight as she seemed.

It l;ooks as if Gransnet has been hooked by Fake News.

Skyandblossom Thu 04-Jan-18 13:24:59

I do agree children should be taught not to hate. Palestinian children are taught to hate Jews, but the same is not true the other way round:
youtu.be/rbyrPUP218Q

(There are many videos like this - just search for ‘Palestinian children taught to hate’ on YouTube.)

Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. There has never been a war between two democracies.

Emptynester Thu 04-Jan-18 13:19:02

This is not why I use Gransnet, and have severe doubts as to the veracity of the original post. I will now stop reading Gransnet for the foreseeable future.

merlotgran Thu 04-Jan-18 13:18:22

I would also like to know where the OP came from.

maddyone Thu 04-Jan-18 13:16:39

So many apologists for Palestinians, I have no words.

lemongrove Thu 04-Jan-18 13:15:00

Yes, two sides to every story, and this one a very complicated one ( Middle East) I read that she is a teenager and pushed and prodded the soldier to get a reaction from him ( apparently there is a video of it online) so someone had been told to film while it happened.hmm It has probably been staged to win support.

MaryXYX Thu 04-Jan-18 13:14:09

A while back one of the elders of my church arranged a collection for a "Palestinian Charity". I research the "Charity" and found it was affiliated to a holding group. Another member of the group had goals including "Training children to kill Jews". My first assumption is that a letter from someone in prison with no access to communications (think about it) is from a similar group.

How can there be peace in Judea when the Arabs have stated "We will not rest until every Jew is dead".

maddyone Thu 04-Jan-18 13:12:08

And actually jura2 it has everything to do with antisemitism!

maddyone Thu 04-Jan-18 13:10:29

Skyandblossom Quite!

blueskies Thu 04-Jan-18 13:09:28

So many apologists for Israel. I have no words.

MaizieD Thu 04-Jan-18 13:07:26

jura

Where does your OP come from? Have you a link?

Skyandblossom Thu 04-Jan-18 13:06:06

I’m surprised you call them “firework rockets”, blueskies. They have killed 48 people and injured over 1900. I wouldn’t like to live in a country with that going on.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel

Wikipedia says, “their main effect is their creation of widespread psychological trauma ... Medical studies in Sderot, the Israeli city closest to the Gaza Strip, have documented a post-traumatic stress disorder incidence among young children of almost 50%, as well as high rates of depression and miscarriage.“

Amnesty: Hamas rocket attacks amounted to war crimes
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-32053999

Israel retaliates for attacks by terrorists in Gaza. It does not initiate attacks. If Hamas and its allies laid down their arms, there would be peace. If Israel laid down its arms, it would be wiped out.

maddyone Thu 04-Jan-18 12:58:50

What I would deny is that you jura2 are a Palestinian child who is sitting in a prison cell.

NannyTee Thu 04-Jan-18 12:50:14

This is weird !!

NannyTee Thu 04-Jan-18 12:49:44

The OP said they take our phones and tablets off us. So how in prison can she use the internet ??

blueskies Thu 04-Jan-18 12:47:31

There have been many holocausts but does that justify killing others? That is history. It is up to all women to try and be peacemakers and teach our children not to hate.

jura2 Thu 04-Jan-18 12:46:06

maddyone - no-one, but no-one denies that, no-one does not utterly deplores it and no-one does not find what happened in the holocaust absolutely abhorrent.

Does the holocaust really give Israelis the right to do what they now do to the Palestianinians, and their children? My reply, is NO - in fact of all the people on the earth, they are the ones who really should know better- because they have suffered so.

jura2 Thu 04-Jan-18 12:43:03

This has nothing, but absolutely nothing, to do with antisemitisn maddyone. Nothing- just about oppression by one people over another.

maddyone Thu 04-Jan-18 12:26:14

One million Jewish children were murdered in the holocaust.

blueskies Thu 04-Jan-18 12:20:57

Israel is currently bombing Gaza. They have no navy no army no airforce just stones and home made firework rockets. Never forget that the ISRAELI navy shot and killed four little Palestinian boys playing football on the beach. It horrified hardened English press. Gaza is about the size of the Isle of wight. Where have they to run? It's like shooting fish in a bucket. I am on the side of the children.