Is this young woman a terrorist?

Thank you skyandblossom for your balanced posts. I'm afraid there has always been antisemitism and probably always will be. The holocaust is the biggest example of this. The Arabs hate the Jews and have vowed to eliminate them. This biased propaganda from who knows who or where is just another example of the rabid antisemitism in the world today. The Jews have a very good reason to protect their tiny corner of the world from those who would deny and destroy it.

durhamjen, I guess not many people are unbiased on this issue, but an unbiased account would include, for example, a statement that the word ‘occupation’ is disputed.

How often do we hear what she says from the British media?

Far from “taking a lot more land than was allocated to them“, in 1948 Israel was allocated less than half the land that the Balfour Declaration had proposed giving to the Jews. The rest went to form the Arab state that was named Jordan. Israel is tiny, about the size of the Isle of Wight.

Israel has only fought wars to defend itself from unprovoked aggression by the countries around it. As soon as it was formed a group of much larger countries attacked it. The leaders of the Arab Muslims (now called Palestinians) living in the new land of Israel told them to leave “until we drive the Jews into the sea“.

700,000-750,000 Palestinians left. In the same period around 850,000 Jews were driven out of the surrounding countries and were given refuge in Israel. The Palestinians were never given refuge in the much larger and sparsely populated surrounding countries, but were kept in refugee camps to be used as a pawn against Israel.

When Israel has given “land for peace“, all it has got back has been rocket fire from the Palestinian territories. If Israel was to give any more land its borders would no longer be defensible. It would no longer be able to defend itself from enemies intent on wiping it out. (In Islam, it is a duty to reclaim land that has ever been under Islamic control. Israel at one time was ruled by the Ottoman Rmpire, an Islamic power.)

I don't think you can call Melanie Phillips unbiased.

Jura, as you started the thread, why do you think there is no support for Palestine in the wider Arabian region? I'd be interested in hearing any opinions on this.
Egypt controls part of the Gaza border, destroys tunnels, closes it sometimes. Syria bombed Damascus under Assad, I'm sure the Saudis have an influence.
Palestine has been an issue for the Arab League for decades and a political solution would probably need support from the wider region.

We do not get a fair, complete picture from the British media, unfortunately. The account in the OP is very biased. I agree with eazybee and others.

The word ‘occupation’ is disputed. Melanie Phillips writes:

‘Israel’s presence in the disputed territories cannot be legally defined as an occupation. Under the Hague and Geneva conventions, an occupation can only take place on sovereign land. The territories were never anyone’s sovereign land.

Israel is furthermore entitled under international law to continue to hold onto them as a defensive measure as long as its Arab aggressors continue to use them for belligerent ends.’
m.jpost.com/Opinion/As-I-See-It-Israel-not-the-West-stands-for-international-law-469131

During the 1948 Palestine War, Israel overran far more territory than was proposed by the Partition Plan; Jordan captured and annexed the West Bank, while in the Gaza Strip the All-Palestine Government was announced in September 1948. In what is known as the Nakba, or "Catastrophe", hundreds of Palestinian villages and over 70,000 Palestinian homes were ruined and destroyed.[9] 700,000 Palestinians fled or were driven out of their homes by the Israelis. The Palestinian refugees were unable to return following the Lausanne Conference, 1949. they have not been able to return, and the expansion has gone on and on.

What else can the Palestinians do, apart from fight?

Start the story in 1948 or 1967 or any date you like. The attitude of both sides has been aggressive and combative. Neither the Palestinians nor the Israelis have the moral high ground in this conflict in my opinion.

Israel took a lot more land than was allocated- right from the start, and have never stopped their expansionism- never.

GabriellaG you certainly have taken the words right out of my mouth ! We live in a beautiful world that is being destroyed by hatred, cruelty, greed, oppression, intolerance etc and nothing ever changes. The world has given billions to the Middle East, Africa etc over the years and what has changed ? We have sent our sons to be killed trying to fight others wars, and what has changed ? I quote “The world is a comedy to those that think, and a tragedy to those that feel”.

Yes I thought the same tigger and maddyone, although this goes on and it's horrible there is something about this post I choose not to believe.?

NannyC2

Praying does nothing other than make the person praying feel good about it.
Prayers have been said for world peace since the world (or religion( begsn and has it achieved anything? All those zillions of prayers have not changed anything lots and never will. People will never be at peace with each other. Religion begets wars and that's a fact.

It's just plain bullying. It's not right and it's not fair. I simply don't understand Israeli apologists no matter how they present their 'side'.

eazybee She is not choosing to go near soldiers. She cannot get away from them.
How is it difficult for Israel to get out their side of the story? In the US it is only the Israeli side that is reported and the internet is international.
MinniesMum Israel doesn't donate building materials. It blockades building materials that other countries donate.
There is another side to the Rhoningya situation but whatever happened in the past, collective punishment is illegal and what is happening now is not an acceptable answer.
She living in what has now become an illegal settlement. Illegal occupiers do not have right on their side. It is like telling a battered wife that there is two sides to the story and that she must have done something to deserve it.

Excellent post, MinniesMum, my same feelings entirely.

I have been to Israel - I have been inside a refugee camp - I have heard first hand experiences.
What do I do?
I pray for peace for all!

Who is the person who wrote the original post? I would really like to know this. It could be anyone, based here or anywhere in the world. How does a child access the internet in a prison cell? What is going on here with this poster, I certainly do not know!
Don't believe everything you read comes to mind!

Am amazed that she is allowed to use the internet while in prison.

This is one side of the story that is being reported in the media. I don't know the full facts of the Israel/Palestine conflict but my gut feeling is always to believe and trust the Israel side in any story.

What Paddyann said.
My favourite Christmas present this year was a donation to my name to a library in a refugee camp in Syria currently populated by Palestinians fleeing from that kind of state-sponsored oppression.

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* Sorry. Should read 'only know'.

We o my know one side of the story here and read what the press choose to print.
Unless we have a clear and unbiased overview of the politics of the situation, we are not in a position to make any educated comment.

There are 2 sides to every story with the truth somewhere in the middle ....

If she were my child I would not allow her anywhere near armed soldiers.
I would prevent her from slapping one, and I would not film her while she did it.
There are other ways to make political points without using your children.
According to a political correspondent speaking on radio 4 yesterday (sorry, don't know name or time to verify) this family is notorious for staging incidents to provoke a reaction. They may have just cause, but very wrong to use their child in this way.

Yes, she reminded me of 'Manon des Sources' (Pagnol)...