Is this young woman a terrorist?

Ah - I didn't phrase it very well, sorry.
Why are Palestinians bombing other Palestinians?
That's what I meant by each other!

one is bombing the other to take their land and to protect the land they have illegally stolen- the other is bombing back because their land was taken, and more is planned to be taken...

So why are they bombing each other Jura?

www.washingtonpost.com/world/israel-passes-bill-to-seize-private-palestinian-land-for-jewish-settlements/2017/02/06/b6d14220-ec90-11e6-a100-fdaaf400369a_story.html?utm_term=.26e206990d6c

You are so rightin saying it is hugely complicated.

But illegal occupation of Palestine land, destruction of villages and towns and the agricultural land they depend on, has to stop. A lot of Jewish people were illegally sold or mainly given land, WHICH belonged to Palestininians.

And now, this week- the Israeli GVT has given approval for more land grab, to build more towns and villages, to 'protect' the ones already built illegally on illegally occupied land.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/13/west-bank-east-jerusalem-israel

What are the Palestinians to do- apart from fight- and yes, attempt to regain some of the lost land. Their water is even stolen to divert to the new settlements- so what they have left cannot be farmed. And even if some land is regained- you can't replant olive groves with trees 100s, even 1000s of years old.

What are the Palestinians supposed to do??? Shall we invite them to come and live in the UK then?

In the '90s we almost bought a small house in Eli, a Jewish settlement not far from Jerusalem. It was very cheap, and you could see why. There had to be constant armed border controls to defend from nearby Palestinian attacks.
Looking at recent reports, the same thing is going on now.
Wiki: " In 2013, representatives of the nearby Palestinian village of Krayot blamed Eli settlers for an alleged uprooting of more than 100 olive trees on their property.[8]

In January 2014, an Eli resident claimed to have photographed Palestinians chopping down an olive tree which a later report on Ma'an news blamed 'settlers' for the incident.[9][10][11]

In August 2015, a gas station was firebombed on Route 60 near Eli. Later, two Palestinian from Awarta, members of PFLP claimed the attack was a retaliation for the firebombing at Duma.[12][13]"
I confess I have no answer. But I wish Trump would keep his nose out - it doesn't help.
As I said earlier, other nations mixing in just makes things worse. They don't understand all the complications.
Who does?

So what do you see as the solution, jura?

Not talking about romantic olive trees (I did have 2 stolen from the entrance of our house in the UK...) - but talking about acres and acres of ancient olive groves- which represent the main living and income for those families.

70.000 homes destroyed too and all replaced with 1000s of small towns and settlements - in illegally occupied land.

What else can Palestinians do, apart from fight?

You cannot discuss this without looking at the actions of Hamas. They are the politically elected leaders of some Palestinians. What do you expect to happen when you elect a terrorist organisation to represent you? They've bombed Fatah, now they are breaking into factions and bombing each other.

www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-gaza/hamas-says-its-security-chief-wounded-in-gaza-car-bombing-idUSKBN1CW1S8

I think when the default response to not getting what you want is a bomb, it's pretty difficult to sympathise with some romanticised version of ownership of an olive tree.

As Jane says- how anyone who sees those peoples lands, olive groves, taken and destroyed- their villages torn up to be replaced by illegal settlements- can say it is alarmist (?!?) and puts them off the Palestinian cause- well I just don't know.

Well post something credible in defence of the Israeli position fennel. Anything to explain the land grabs, blockading and bullying?

jura - I wish you wouldn't keep posting these alarmist headlines and links. They are more like those on the Daily Mail, which you have criticised yourself.
As a person who tries to see both sides your posts put me off the Palestinian cause, rather than swaying me their way.

That is the reality out there:

www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/videos/882651768542998/

indeed Jane- where do we stop. Gipsy children, refugee children- what about Jewish children ?

There is a very good (extremely bad and sad) reason why some of those kids look much older than they are, and behave in a non child manner- that is what happens when you have to learn to survive, to fight even, to grow up much before your time- because of oppression and war.

THE JUDGE IN THE TAMIMI CASE CLAIMS THAT

"INTERNATIONAL LAWS DO NOT APPLY TO

PALESTINIAN CHILDREN OR MINORS"

LET THAT SINK IN !!

Oh, I should have read them before deleting!
I keep intending to apply for the monthly book so I will read them in future.

It was in the UK, Jalima. I'm sure (well, I sincerely hope) that the support group had the best of intentions, but I don't think children of this age could possibly understand the rights and wrongs of the situation. In fact, how many of us can?

I'm glad you found your newsletters - I rely on them to let me know when I can apply for the free monthly book.

I must have brain fug this morning; have now found the daily emails from way back which went into a different folder (never opened). All deleted now, but now I know where to look.
Thanks Maggiemaybe

That was presumably in the UK, Mmb! What hope is there when children speak of others like that.

Yes, there's a daily email, Jalima. You need to opt in to it in your account settings.

It goes without saying that this is a very emotive subject, with right and wrong on both sides, but we need to be very aware that sympathy for the Palestinian cause can feed anti-Semitism. A Palestinian support group was invited into a local school to talk to children of mainly Pakistani ethnic origin. The following exchange between two 10 year olds was overheard by a friend as they filed out. "What was that all about then?". "Oh, just Jews. They don't matter."

Do we get a daily email?
I don't think I do must check

Nope - why not I wonder.

Perhaps some of the names appeared out of nowhere due to the fact that the subject was listed in the daily email that gransnet sends out to subscribers.
Maybe some of you would like to vet our credentials to see if we are worthy of posting.

"Isreal is surrounded by Arab countries and has to be strong.
There is fault on both sides as I see it." (*lemongrove*.)
That's my view too. And I also agree with an earlier poster who said that the allocation of the Holy Land to the Jews in 1948 was a well-meaning mistake.
For centuries previously Jews, Muslims and Christians had shared the Land more more less amicably. Most of the troubles came from other countries interfering and taking over the running of the country.

Elrel.... and as the French chose Macron and the Germans chose Merkel come to that, people choose what they want.
They wanted Hamas.
Isreal is surrounded by Arab countries and has to be strong.
There is fault on both sides as I see it.
There are many tragic instances too, on both sides.
However this thread is about a teenager from one particular
Family who on close inspection has ties to murderers.
I think she has been released now btw.

As far as hate goes there are some Israelis who would happily see all Palestinians killed. The hate isn't just one sided. The big difference is that the Israelis have the authority and the power to carry things through.