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Momentum collect unwanted food from a warehouse, take it to a Friends Meeting House. But no politics are talked about, the members of momentum are living what they believe. Members pay £3 a week and get back about £30-£40 of food to take home.

No, it's on Youtube Annie

McDonnell has changed his view of Venezuela. It's no longer 'socialism in action'. They took a wrong path, and it wasn't a socialist path.

A couple of days in a luxury resort with the global elite and a free mini bar and he's denouncing his old comrades.

WilmaKF

Nope basing my view on facts as I see them , not basing my view on conspiracy theories.

Do you not believe Unions and Momentum are working closely together?

There is no reason why they should not because they hold the same view of how Labour should be shaped.

Primrose, are you watching a DVD?

This thread repeats and repeats.

Then Wilma, you are skipping posts .

Do you not think we need to remember and learn from the decades you dismiss as a different world?

Annie I've never seen anyone speak of the 1945 election. And who talks about the best places for politics schooling? The South Wales mining industry was decimated by the 84/85 strike and my whole point about the unions is Thatcher severely restricted their powers. You are talking about the climate of over 30 years ago and I fully support learning lessons from history, but we live in a different world now.

I need to take a break from this thread again.

I don't understand the speedy removal of Lord Mendelsohn.
Me neither, apparently he is 'guilty by association'.
Unless, of course, Corbyn has evidence that he was guilty of lewd behaviour or was aware it was happening close by him and did or said nothing then I do not see why he was sacked.

I've found an old documentary about the LP in the 80's made in 1995 ('The Wilderness Years', BBC2) and the first episode documents the challenge by Tony Benn. It includes short clips of Jon Lansman, who ran his deputy leadership campaign and the comparison between then and now is remarkable.

A cult of personality.
A Stalinist group taking control of power under the guise of democracy.
A move to the far left.
Reselections.
Capitalism is breaking down.
Ordinary members have been ignored for too long.

I'm only one episode in (out of 4) and already I think Lansman is a one trick pony!

Good grief

I agree Annie and Day6

Women are being suspended from the LP this week for saying men who self-identify as women should not be included in all-women shortlists.

I'll start a separate thread for that chestnut.

Day6 Hear hear.

Applause Day6.

The politics of envy is strong since Corbyn - Momentum took over the party

Wilma, it is because I have stayed with the party and remained loyal to the party for many years that I do not wear rose tinted specs .

Posters talk of the North, London etc, the best schooling for politics is the South Wales Valleys, where one heard men hold meetings around street lights, even on the annual trip with the miners club for a day at the sea.

No difference in the communist party supporting Corbyn to the KKK supporting Trump, they support the leader who shares their beliefs, unless you believe Trump isn't racist

As for me speaking of facts a few decades ago, some here speak of the 1945 election, you never pull them up on speaking of over seven decades ago .

And it was the power of the unions which caused voters to turn to Thatcher

ww - Wealthy elites should gladly pay their taxes to fund our public services and NHS. Not to withhold their money, and then dole it out at a whim, whilst reportedly abusing young women at the Presidents Club.

Wow. You couldn't make it up. I am not surprised Momentum quotes this.

So in two sentences every wealthy person is a tax dodger, and they were abusing young women too in the recent Presidents Club scandal.

Talk about tarring everyone with the same brush. And of course these people are all 'wealthy'. The politics of hatred I'd say.

So, no wealthy people are honest, have integrity, play fair and abhor sexual abuse?

That's their card marked then, if and when Momentum run the show.

jura2 Please tell me that you don't really believe that last post of yours.

Annie your post about the Communist Party and the KKK is possibly the most absurd I've read on GN. Your post about the humanity of Trade Unions sounds like a memory from decades ago. Thatchers government introduced legislation castrating the unions so they are now a shadow of their former selves. Few people today would recognise the situations you described. Reading your posts on this thread I would never in a million years have guessed you are long time member of the Labour Party.

POGS you wrote

Not sure what your take is on that point but my take is the Unions and Momentum are 'both' in control of Labour .

That can obviously only be the state of affairs from the time Corbyn became Labour Leader.

Only if you believe in conspiracy theories.

Jura, who controls the Tory party as Momentum now controls the Labour Party?

And not all actions by unions are humane and honourable , unless you supported strikes which meant the dead couldn't be buried or having so much control they insisted the people in my village paid towards removal of two tips, the third having killed our children. It was only when a labour government not controlled by the unions and over twenty years later paid the money back to the village

I'm not sure all posters here agree on the motives of Momentum, Jura. You might think they are 'honourable' but others would disagree.

OK let's agree to that if you wish-but please tell me, who is controlling the Cons ?

At least the motives of the Unions and Momemtum are a lot more honorable and human.

WilmaKF

"PS It used to be the trade unions that controlled the Labour Party, now it's Momentum? hmm"

Not sure what your take is on that point but my take is the Unions and Momentum are 'both' in control of Labour .

That can obviously only be the state of affairs from the time Corbyn became Labour Leader.

trisher Thu 25-Jan-18 08:32:53

"POGS it's quite simple. Much of this thread is fantasy and conjecture based on a poster's beliefs- that isn't "knowledge". Knowledge needs a basis in fact and is not an opinion,"

True ' knowledge based in fact is not an opinion' hence I mentioned posters who state they know nothing of Momentum / very little of Momentum but have posted in connection to matters debated about Momentum for well over a year. I for one am happy to accept their statement, protestations.

There has been mention of posters beliefs and having a blinkered view and that is not the domain of either left or right of politics!

If it is blinkered to hold a view that Corbyn/McDonnell have throughout their political lifetime had connection with / flirted with Communist/Marxist views/groups/people then I am happy to for you to consider me blinkered but I in turn reserve the right to in return call anyone who does not accept that to be the case equally 'blinkered'.

Corbyn wrote a tribute to victims of the holocaust then sacks a trustee of The Holocaust Educational Trust Primrose

I agree Annie - I have not been able to find out exactly why he was removed other than 'attending'.

Good to know that Corbyn thinks you are punishable for the behaviour of others in the room, even if you are unaware of what's happening or you've left to go home.

Lord Mendelssohn was there as chairman of a charity who was to receive a donation . Very active in the Jewish community ,Charities such as Friends of Israel , perhaps his biggest sin is being involved with Progress ?

As he is a Jew it must have been a difficult decision for Corbyn to make !