Corbyns Torque

Dwr Cymru has done much for Wales, some of our beaches are now listed in lists of cleanest beaches

Bringing everything back under government control (nationalisation) isn’t the all singing and dancing prospect that some seem to think.

I think exactly the same Jalima where the utilities are concerned.

PS Doesn't it concern posters that our utilities and therefore the bulk of the infrastructure in the UK is owned or run by overseas companies?
Yes it does. However, it has taken a very long time by successive governments to take us down this route which now appears to be reaching crisis point because it has all gone too far.
It would be impossible to take everythingback into public ownership and any politician who promises that is living in cloud cuckoo land.
However, it needs rational thought because some areas work well, if not better, run by the private sector and others should never have been de-nationalised and need to be taken back into public ownership.

In fact, these decisions are too enormous to be undertaken by dogmatic politics of any side.

Wilma, I want a labour government not a cummunist government and do not accept the defence of Momentum put forward

No, Annie I do understand. But you are theorising about this, none of it has happened. I have no illusions that Momentum does not have people who are from the far left and used to stand around selling the Socialist Worker, but Momentum is not the Labour Party. Its not even getting its candidates on to selection lists, let alone getting them selected. To date only 7 out of the 29 seats have been won by candidates backed by Momentum and not all of the 7 are part of Momentum, they are local left wing candidates who have already been selected in the past.

I would rather read articles like this than the hyperbole on this thread

Momentum candidates
Not a Corbynite Coup

I especially like the second article for describing a more realistic picture of the situation.

Don't you want the Labour Party to win the next election?

“The global economic system isn’t working for billions of people.

In a recession people focus on getting by, but when they see growth returning to the economy and they are clearly not benefiting from it they begin to demand change.

They see austerity as a con trick where the wealthy have simply got extraordinarily more wealthy, and banks have benefited enormously from tax cuts.

Ordinary workers have worked hard to dig us out of the slump by paying their taxes, whilst not benefiting from higher salaries.

What did they get in return? Cuts in their welfare services, and many being sold off. Huge pay and bonus increases for the top, and the knowledge from the paradise papers that tax dodging is on an industrial scale.”

That is why people are demanding change.

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Corbyn tweeted

“Appalling that Alex Sobel has received a stream of anti-Semitic abuse after his tribute speech on Channel 4 to Holocaust Memorial Day”

Stating some posters here are full of bile isn't a personal attack on posters?

Fact or protection of Momentum Trisher ? Do you spend your day correcting posters spelling, omitting a - ?

How puffed up some can be

Re deselection, there will be no de-selection.

Trisher....you constantly denigrate posters and their comments on here,

Gone back to attacking people personally I see Lemons.

There aren't any facts just conjecture. If I'm wrong prove it by posting details. But you won't because you can't

Wilma, you don't seem to understand, the criticism of Momentum is their ambitions to take over the Labour Party, replace left if centre MP's with far left MP', you not be concerned with councils run by the likes of Derek Hatton , I am

Trisher you posted - there will be no deselection , is this a fact.

You keep twisting Corbyn saying the unemployed will be sent to the Falklands yet he did say this .

Please do not accuse others of not posting facts whilst you twist facts to defend Corbyn

There are plenty of facts on this thread trisher just scroll back and read them.
Since you appear to support Momentum, I understand why
You don’t like hearing anything derogatory about them, but there is plenty out there from others ( not on GN) if you can bear to read it.

If you can find any facts on this thread lemongrove I will apologise. I don't hate criticism of anything or anybody but I do like such criticism to have a basis in fact. The wonderful thing about the present government is that it continually messes up, so the facts are there for everyone to see.
It make make some posters squirm to hear the truth about Momentum (talking of the leaders here) but perhaps you
Don’t care what methods they use to achieve their ends
Yes like being democratically elected-terrifying isn't it!.

the far left who post of all that will take place if Corbyn wins an election do what you accuse others of doing Trisher ?

trisher....you constantly denigrate posters and their comments on here, you really hate any criticism of Corbyn and Momentum, but politicians and political groups are fair game for comments.There is plenty of what you call ‘bile’ on threads about the present Government btw and plenty of
Opinion, predictions and diatribe too!
It make make some posters squirm to hear the truth about Momentum (talking of the leaders here) but perhaps you
Don’t care what methods they use to achieve their ends.

POGS it's quite simple. Much of this thread is fantasy and conjecture based on a poster's beliefs- that isn't "knowledge". Knowledge needs a basis in fact and is not an opinion, prediction or diatribe which is all this thread is.
Take the NEC elections. All you know is that 3 members of Momentum were elected with massive majorities. What happens next one must wait and see.

PS Doesn't it concern posters that our utilities and therefore the bulk of the infrastructure in the UK is owned or run by overseas companies?

Can we just put Momentum to one side for a moment?

Don't posters think that the reason why the Labour Party regained so many seats in last year's election is because Jeremy Corbyn was saying the right thing? The Labour Party lost 26 seats in the 2015 election and won 30 back last year.

Momentum is a grassroots organisation that has shaken up politics in the UK because it has groups communicating with local people. It's only got 35k members so those votes alone won't make much difference in an election.

I included a link to the Labour Party manifesto before. What do posters object to the most in that manifesto?

Primrose 20% is a lot in any part of the UK. The problem is though that low priced housing has less profit, so builders don't choose to build it They build more expensive properties and are granted planning permission because they agree to sell a certain percentage of the development as affordable housing. Most of this affordable housing is still out of the reach of lower paid people.

Defining affordable housing as a percentage is a device that helps builders make more money and the government to create the perception that lots of affordable houses are being built. Affordable housing should be property priced below a set maximum based on local property prices.

Did Blair promise to reverse or halt it then backtrack? I can't remember now.

Jalima from Wikipaedia:

Water privatisation in England and Wales. Water privatisation was undertaken in 1989 by the government of Margaret Thatcher which partly privatised the ten previously public regional water authorities (RWAs) in England and Wales through the sale of assets.