Corbyns Torque

trisher

"There are Revolutionary communists Annie but they don't support the Labour Party."

They do support Labour now under Corbyn.

It has been known and accepted that the probability of seeing Corbyn or McDonnell at a protest or rally they will be sharing a stage or standing side by side with their 'Comrades' from the Communist Party most likely and Tariq Ali of the now defunct International Marxist Group.

Corbyn wrote for the Morning Star and the Morning Star backed Corbyn for Leader although technically unless the were Labour members they could not vote for him obviously.

Communist Party comment after Corbyns Victory :-

A Labour Party reclaimed by the labour movement could form a government that would pursue policies for peace, environmental security, sustainable economic development and social justice in a federal Britain.

A stronger Communist Party, organised on every front of struggle, applying a concrete Marxist analysis to concrete problems, will have an indispensable role to play if Britain is to take the road to socialism. "
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www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-uk-communist-party-no-candidates-jeremy-corbyn-labour-support-first-1920-a7699761.html

Britain’s Communist party will not field any general election candidates for the first time since its formation in 1920 in order to throw its weight behind Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour party.

Declaring its endorsement of Labour’s leader, the Communist Party of Britain said victory for Mr Corbyn at the general election in June would be “the first step towards a formation of left-led government at Westminster”.

I grew up with a staunch Labour / Unionist father and I know and remember what sort of things were said and the banners that they were proud to display and I see a resurgence over the last 2 years of what I heard and saw then.

Primrose thanks for that. Hopefully the police have got hold of them now.

How on a scale of one to 10 would you measure this in communist/Marxist terms.

Labour sees the creation of wealth as a collective endeavour, between workers, entrepreneurs, investors and government.

We need an economy that works for the many not the few,

Britain is the only major economy where earnings have fallen even though the economy has grown.

Most workers are earning less after taking inflation into account than they did 10 years ago

We will support each region in its industrial strategy , and we will actively support businesses to secure skilled workforce who are well trained and with secure jobs. Small business will be at the centre of our strategy.

We will stop the financial system being rigged for the few, and turn the power of finance to the public good.

If they are "Hard-left", communist and marxist as you say POGs could you explain exactly what you expect them to do if they form a government? Their policies are socialist and the Labour manifesto set out a socialist agenda, not a communist or marxist agenda. Yet you persist in bringing up past statements and out dated ideas. It's nothing to do with what is happening today, or what is proposed by the Labour party and everything to do with fear mongering.

Most interesting Primrose, if party members we can expect them to be expelled

trisher

I said in response to your comment:-

If you are left wing you are/must be far or hard left.

" No. However certainly the 'returned' and 'new" Labour members are happy to say they ' rejoined/joined because they felt the Labour Party had moved to the left/far left. Momentum required it's members to join Labour did it not."

You came back with :-

"POGS given how far to the right the Labour Party moved even the most radical returner would not be as far left as the party was when it was founded. That was hard left. There are no hard-lefters now. Just people who want to cast aspersions on good socialist beliefs."

3 things.

1. My reply to your initial post clearly stated 'No'. obviously stating I do not think if you are left wing you are therefore 'far or hard left". That would be as stupid as somebody saying because you are right wing you are therefore 'far - right".

I stand by my view however that many have returned to Labour or joined because they see the days of Labour being centre left / right of centre under the New Labour Years as being vanquished under Corbyn/McDonnells Leadership. Even some Gransnet posters have been honest and said they stopped voting Labour under Blair /Brown but have returned because of Corbyn. Corbyn is not centre left/ right of centre he would frown on anybody calling him as such. He is proud of his far left history and connections and does not hide it, why should he.

3. You say " There are no hard - lefters now" . I find that is the most ridiculous comment I keep hearing from Corbyn supporters. Corbyn / McDonnell are hard left and have been from the days of Militant, their whole history revolves around Marxist/Communist opinions and theories. Their heroes have been Marxist / Communists and they have believed in the governance of Marxist theories such as Venezuela.

Wilma Within minutes of the video going onto social media, the people were named in the comments of the police announcement that they would investigate. People provided links to Facebook pages, LinkedIn profiles, showing names, photos of them, where they worked etc. as well as other posts.
I was very surprised - it was fascinating to see how something like Twitter is used by the Police to crowdsource information. People were identified as Corbinystas / Momentum members because that is how they described themselves.

So no 'mindlessness' involved in identifying the people involved, no 'labels' put on people except the ones they chose to use.

I'd like to see how John McDonnell responds to this in the light of his comments about giving people a slapping, hounding Tory politicians wherever they go.

The communist party don't support the Labour Party? So their decision not to put forward a candidate at the last election was to avoid splitting the Tory vote, fancy that, funny old world

Angela Rayner on the incident:
My politics are not those of @Jacob_Rees_Mogg however l utterly condemn the behaviour of those tonight who tried to attack him whilst he was due to speak at an event he was invited to. It's extremely intimidating for any MP who travels alone to an event to be treated like this

They were as yet unidentified "anti-facist" [sic] thugs, members of Antifa? The principal feature of antifa groups is their opposition to fascism through the use of direct action. They engage in militant protest tactics, which has included property damage and physical violence.

Jacob Rees-Mogg tried to intervene to calm down the situation.

There are Revolutionary communists Annie but they don't support the Labour Party. They are actually very nice young people with extensive knowledge of history and events. But calling people who support Corbyn and the labour party 'far left' is ludicrous. Altough I realise it caters very nicely to the fears and prejudices of some posters.

No hard left now? This is untrue , the communist party are supporting Corbyn and work with Momentum.

Another silly and OTT post from you GG sadly.

primrose65 You say: "It's very unusual for a party leader/Mayor [Corbyn/Khan] or even a politician to command such little respect from the press and for that mockery to be broadcast."
Isn't it funny how all the comments about Maybot, Bo Jo, Jeremy Hunt and many others seem to slip through the net as far as some posters are concerned. But I suppose if you are looking for dirt in one area that's what you will find and you'll ignore the filth every where else.
POGS given how far to the right the Labour Party moved even the most radical returner would not be as far left as the party was when it was founded. That was hard left. There are no hard-lefters now. Just people who want to cast aspersions on good socialist beliefs.

Don’t know if those masked and balaclava’d men disrupting and pushing and shouting were Momentum supporters at the campus where Rees Mogg was giving a talk ( wouldn’t be surprised if they were)

If they aren't Lemons you could always do the usual thing that those who don't actually want to discuss but just to blame do -blame another group - to which these people must obviously belong.

I could suggest communists, gipsies, rough-sleepers, those on benefits, Corbynistas, or even Jews; they've all been used in the past. "Momentum" is just the 'let's suggest everyone who doesn't agree with us belongs to this group and then blame them for everything" mindlessness.

What gg said. Excellent post!

It's very unusual for a party leader/Mayor [Corbyn/Khan] or even a politician to command such little respect from the press and for that mockery to be broadcast.

Surely that is and always has been the raison d'etre of the right-wing press. They want us to believe that only Big Money has the answer and at the moment they have a government that is willing to go down that route, even to the point of turning us away from our largest market and turning us into a tax haven where human rights are igored, the needs of the poor are ignored and eventually the needs of the current 'Jack's' who think they benefit from the right's views will be ignored.

No right-wing owner of a right-wing paper wants anyone to talk about that so they will make up fake news and belittle those speaking truth to power. Meanwhile they will build up the men and women of straw currently thinking they are able to lead not only a party but a country. This has always been the case and is the reason why anyone wanting a more balanced view of what is actually happening no longer gets all their information from the mainly right-wing MSN.

The gentler, kinder politics Corbyn said he was bringing to us !

Don’t know if those masked and balaclava’d men disrupting and pushing and shouting were Momentum supporters at the campus where Rees Mogg was giving a talk ( wouldn’t be surprised if they were) or rebellious types looking for a barney, but, where were the stewards on the door? nobody masked should have been allowed in for a start.Also, what cowards for not having the courage of their convictions to show their faces while they heckle.

Corbyn

Development gain is a windfall and should largely accrue to the public.

I agree.

A piece of land may be worth £20k on the open market. Get a piece of paper to say that it has planning permission for development and it is worth £2million. Doesn’t take much imagination to understand why houses are so expensive.

Primrose where did you read it was Momentum who gatecrashed the student event in Bristol?

The local Labour Party in Haringey meets on Sunday to start the discussion about what will be in the manifesto for the May elections. The BBC is reporting it's seen some of the suggestions Momentum and its allies will make at the meeting. The opinion appears to be that the suggestions won't stand up to scrutiny. The majority does not support Momentum anyway, so it will retain control over the manifesto, but it's looking likely that Momentum will increase its representation.

Haringey Manifesto Meeting

Having read a lot about Claire Kober today including the interview in the Guardian, I respect her capabilities as someone who gets things done. I certainly don't think she is incompetent. However, I don't think her claims of sexist bullying will stand up. In fact, as a woman I'm disappointed in what she said and am not surprised that she herself has been accused of bullying in not too recent past. I wonder if she will be canvassing for the election? I hope she finds another job in the public sector soon.

primrose65 You say: "It's very unusual for a party leader/Mayor [Corbyn/Khan] or even a politician to command such little respect from the press and for that mockery to be broadcast."

I disagree. It's not at all unusual for anyone who takes the side of ordinary people against big business to be mocked, with efforts made to discredit them and destabilise the organisations they represent.

At one time I did think, despite some misgivings, that perhaps public/private redevelopment partnerships might be the only way forward, given the scale of the housing problem. But having seen how other privatisations/PFIs have worked out - and, in housing, how local people's views are not sought, or disregarded when they are sought, I have changed my mind.

In my own area, the Labour council plans for our town centre (which, only a few years ago, had a huge amount of money spent on landscaping and the provision of a children's playground) include four residential/commercial blocks - one being 29 storeys high. There is huge local opposition to the town centre's only open space being reduced by one third and replaced with buildings totally incompatible with the surrounding area. I am a Labour supporter but that doesn't mean I support the MPs and councillors who I feel are not representing the people they are supposed to represent.

This was in the Evening Standard in 2017 and reports the grave concerns of local people that they would be priced out of the area - an extract:

"Moriam Islam, 53, who has lived in Northumberland Park for 30 years, said: “We are all very worried. I have set my mind to living here until I die, but it seems somebody is forcing me to abandon everything and become homeless and jobless.”

"She and husband Sirajal own their two-bedroom maisonette and both work at schools on the estate. She said: “House prices are going up and because of our ages we wouldn’t be able to get another mortgage.”

"About 100 residents held a protest last night outside Haringey council offices over the decision to appoint Australian firm Lendlease as the preferred bidder to take joint control of public assets."

whitewave, if I gave you a two fingers up would that be different to telling you to F off?

white wave

I could post others but I was trying to show point scoring is futile.

Looks like Momentum were involved in a fight where JRM was speaking at the University of West England in Bristol. Apparently, JRM was trying to break up the fight. The guy in the hat & sunglasses who seems to be nudging him backwards was identified and named within minutes on social media.

A kinder, gentler politics to create a Twitter moment.

twitter.com/i/moments/959541730856054785