Trump's UK visit

I had one when I broke my ankle, it has gone back to the A&E and I don't particularly want to see it again.

stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news-comment/2861-we-should-be-proud-we-ve-not-just-faced-down-a-bigot-we-ve-challenged-the-special-relationship

I found reading this quite interesting. I don't have a zimmer frame; in fact, thinking about it, I haven't seen one for ages.
Must be the hills in this county.

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I did not realise how many had such uninteresting lives that what would appear to be a highlight of these lives, zimmer frames at the ready, was to demonstrate in the street/s at an alleged visit of an American president.

That is just extremely rude to people who hold a different view to you - and quite unnecessarily personal to other members of this forum.

I would be very happy to stand on the Mall, if he came, and simply turn my back on him. The man lacks mental capacity and holds the future of the world in his hands. The USA needs to know how we - those of us who do - feel about him making the world more dangerous and unstable.

I think we need both, though, and we would have maintained a relationship with the USA through the EU which may not have been 'special' but it is, I think, essential. The USA has a longstanding relationship with the EU.

eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/27291/united-states-and-eu_en

However, that is academic now.

American ambassador in London has resigned saying he no longer can work with the Toddler-in-chief

That seems a bit hard on Toddlers whitewave, although I can see why he compares them. The man is just a bigoted ignoramus but people - in this country too - still think he's great. We are living in very strange times.

Eloethan I would really rather we gave up on the special relationship with the USA than gave up on Europe. It is another split within the country. There seem to be those who are pro the culture of the USA (as they see it) and anti the culture of Europe and those who seem to be pro the culture of the of Europe (as they see it) and anti the culture of the USA and, in many cases, never the twain shall meet.

So those that believe a protest is mob rule, does that also apply to the protest about NHS cuts etc. or are we talking about selective protests?

In fact, having watched Miliband and Krishnan Guru-Murthy, I imagine Miliband will soon be coming back to UK, and Guru-Murthy will not be allowed into USA.

sarahwhitney I can see why you are so keen on defending Trump - your turn of phrase and manners are so similar.

The "special relationship" seemed to consist of us rubber stamping political and military decisions made in the US. This country wasn't even consulted when the US invaded Grenada, a former British colony and Commonwealth nation, in 1983. That's how much respect the US had for the UK.

David Miliband talking about it on Channel 4 news at the moment.
Makes some excellent points.

Britain well known for being diplomatic, with Johnson as foreign secretary?

newsthump.com/2018/01/12/dictionary-definition-of-shithole-updated-to-cover-all-trump-hotels/

DT was either lying or didn’t have the facts ( as he should have done before he said anything)
Well, wouldn't that be a first, checking the facts before twittering off.

I think it would be much better to absolutely clear the streets if /when he arrives here. He clearly thrives on attention so ignoring him would wound his ghastly pride much more.
I think what Jane10 said is most sensible and, as travelsafar says, it would save on the cost of security.

suzie I gave up expecting any logic at all from most of the right wing supporters on here
Are there any? or, if there are, how would you know?

Many posters seem to believe in the logical and pragmatic approach.

Not London!! Panama doh!!

American ambassador in London has resigned saying he no longer can work with the Toddler-in-chief

Ditto to the left wing supporters! Marieliza64

I am not a fan of Trump but we do need to remain friends with the USA whether we like it or not. It is in our interest. Absence speaks louder than words, so I won’t be on the
Streets protesting.

suzie I gave up expecting any logic at all from most of the right wing supporters on here

The US embassy was never sold and for one simple reason - it belongs to the Duke of Westminster. DT was either lying or didn’t have the facts ( as he should have done before he said anything). And I love the way several posters on here are saying what about protests about other leaders? RTFT - I posted a link and others have posted about the protests that did happen. Some of you just wade in with criticisms when you haven’t ascertained the facts - ooohhhh who does that remind me of?

Should everyone who protests about a certain State visit ( many of them dissidents originating from that country) have to go to every other protest as well? Rather a strange logic.

am RTFT

I do hope all those planning a protest did the same to all the ghastly heads of state that have already been here.

Apparently Trump now denies talking about "shithole countries" but is immediately called a liar by a senator who was there

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5262683/Trump-says-deal-brings-people-high-crime-countries.html

We do have to have diplomatic relations with the US, and as POTUS he may have to visit the UK, but let's just lock him in a room with our top diplomat, Boris Johnson (who was sacked by The Times for telling lies) and see who can be more undiplomatic.

I do wonder if Sadiq Khan is really speaking for Londoners or whether it is his Muslim heritage which has got him wound up.

radical I think you have a warped imagination.

I like the idea of quietly turning our backs on any leader who we think is doing a bad job or who we feel is not respecting our country and our culture.

So true vq We are a lot more useful to the US as English speaking members of the EU. Ireland will be more useful to them if we are foolish enough to leave.