UKIP, EDL, BNP .... what will happen when Brexit falls apart?

I think you are wrong in lumping Ukip supporters with EDL and BNP, most were fed up Labour and Conservative voters just ordinary hard working people who turned to Ukip because the mainstream parties failed to listen to their concerns about the EU. David Cameron offered a referendum vote because he was frightened of Ukip and the rest is history.

jura2
We have a dentist in our close who always flys the UKIP flag at election time.
I'm having a problem picturing him with bovver boots, shaved head and braces if/ when he joins the BNP.

The Labour and Tory Ukippers are the ones who've left now they've seen the light.
The ones left are the hardcore Ukippers, not that there are many of them, just like EDL and Britain First.

I did'nt 'lump them with' - I said there is a potential for some of them to go on to BNP or EDL, if they do not have a more 'mainstream' outlet - very different proposition.

Ukip are not only having to keep Bolton unless they get a donor to cough up - or have a whip round.
He gets to keep his girlfriend.

www.theweek.co.uk/91066/ukip-leader-henry-bolton-denounces-coup-over-racism-claim

He told fibs when he said he'd given her up.

Petra: I did write 'if'. I'm trying to not get too depressed.

My own feeling is that many people who voted to leave the EU had an anti-immigrant agenda, but certainly not all. My husband was a Brexiter and he is most definitely not racist.

Some people feel that the EU itself could be accused of a degree of racism in that it is, in the main, a rich European man's club which left other nations out in the cold and which didn't support its own members when they hit troubled times (eg Greece).

I did vote to remain because, on balance, I did not believe that, at least with the current government, it would be wise to cut ourselves adrift from Europe and possibly have to rely on countries like the US, Saudi, and China for trade. I was also very worried about the remarks being made about getting rid of "red tape" - which I believe can have some very dangerous consequences.

I think it is unhelpful when either "side" attempts to ridicule or demonise the other. We need to try to find some common ground and understand the other's point of view.

Agreed, and this thread was not doing that - at all.

However, denying the fact that there is a small faction of ult-right who may well turn unpleasant or worse if they do not get what they want- it not helpful either.

most were fed up Labour and Conservative voters just ordinary hard working people who turned to Ukip because the mainstream parties failed to listen to their concerns about the EU.

Spot on ninny.

And it is pretty obvious that many posters here have no time for anyone who voted differently from them in the referendum. All of a sudden Leave voters are not ordinary, decent Conservative or Labour supporters any longer - they have been transformed by Remainers into a sub-species.

Many people felt they weren't being heard as those in their ivory towers refused to recognise their concerns. The opening post of this thread is typical of the way in which Leave voters have been portrayed. Our CVs weren't good enough and the liberal elite are outraged that we had a vote and democracy socked it to them. They are still whining, stoking up Project Fear and looking for the demise of the UK during Brexit negotiations because they have a great need to be proved right.

Their desperate need and longing for EU negotiations to fail is almost traitorous. They have been sussed.

there is a small faction of ult-right who may well turn unpleasant or worse if they do not get what they want

Scare-mongering Jura.

Guess what - should fascists become 'unpleasasnt' they will be identified and arrested. This is not the lawless wild west - but carry on hoping for the end of civilisation as we know it.

Or you could round up all these ill-educated people now, and demand to see their educational achievements and CVs and put them behind bars now for being 'thick'. That'll teach 'em to vote the wrong way!

You seem to know a lot about the alt-right, Day6.

"A few twats from EDL and BF turn up for anything and they make for page 1"

Isn't that the point though they are a few Pardon the pun, but the far right here never gains momentum, It's only the new fascists "Momentum" that seem to be doing that, driven along by the deputy leader of the Labour party who encourages them by suggesting they might like to lynch a female Tory MP on the basis that they don't like her policies. When did advocating violence become acceptable from a mainstream political party

Says it all TerriBull.
We should be concerned about the people now driving the Labour Party.

Like you Durham Jen, (and you are once again making disparaging personal remarks) I like to know what is going on in the world.

You'd like us to believe that the UK is a terrible racist nation, when it's not. If you haven't been reading about the rise of the far right across countries of Europe, in most of the member states, then I'd suggest you are in denial. The powerful EU is causing people all over Europe to address the problem of the loss of cultural identity. That is precious to most people.

As mentioned above, we have a violent, aggressive and pretty fascist far left group here in the UK, hiding under Labour's cloak. I suspect that sort of 'only our way is right' fascism doesn't concern you.

How have we lost any cultural identity?
You made that up.

I do not think Brexit will fall apart. I think we will modify our relationship with Europe and move on. Our parliament will get used to the idea of making all our own laws again. And we will build close links and trade with the world including Europe.

I think day6 has got political ideologies mixed up, fascism is narrow, totalitarian nationalistic and racist, tends to support capitalism, and whilst the current Labour Party has many failings, socialist principles tend to be opposing to the basic tenets of fascism. Whereas, some posters obviously see the Labour party as a totalitarian dictatorship, they certainly do not tick all the boxes that need to be ticked to be accurately fascist.

Our parliament will get used to the idea of making all our own laws again.

Parliament never stopped 'making all our own laws'.

It is so hard to take Leavers seriously when they go on cliche ridden rants, fail to respond to other people's posts and just repeat referendum campign mantras with no evidence that the mantras are 'true'

suzied, agreed, total confusion. But I am pretty sure it is deliberate.

Good posts Day6
I wonder sometimes if people hope for some civil unrest if they can’t actually have Armageddon after we leave the EU.

Undoubtedly Farage is.

"Parliament never stopped 'making all our own laws'. "

True .

Our Parliament has to 'pass' our laws but our Parliament has by way of being an EU Member also has to legally abide by the Treaties it has signed with the EU Parliament who decide what some of our laws/dictate will be .

Hence we are seeing the magnitude of what has been accepted by governments of no one political party over the years and the present government trying to get through the EU Withdrawal Bill.

What it's all about:-

As its informal name suggests, the repeal bill will repeal the 1972 European Communities Act, which took Britain into the EU and meant that EUROPEN LAW TOOK PRECEDENCE OVER LAWS PASSED IN THE UK PARLIAMENT. It will also end the power of the European Court of Justice in the UK.

All existing EU legislation will be copied across into domestic UK law to ensure a smooth transition on the day after Brexit.

We have become so used to not making decisions 'entirely' as a sovereign it will now take years to unravel. Of course it may well be the case we adopt and keep most of the legislation anyway but it will be for our MP's to decide.

There-in lies the problem.

Henry VIII looms large

It was all that roast chicken he ate ww

'I wonder sometimes if people hope for some civil unrest if they can’t actually have Armageddon after we leave the EU.,

truly unpleasant this.

Reminds me of my grandfather who told my mother she was silly about being upset about what she witnessed in Munich in 1933- and that she should shut up about it.

jura 2

Is someone advocating 'Insurrection' which will cause civil unrest a person you hold in the same or different light?

I find both the far left and far right obnoxious and I worry about them both to be honest.