Really??

What is really bad is that refugees and asylum seekers get an extra £1.75 a week in six years.
I find that quite appalling considering that their subsistence is for buying food, etc.

In comparison my state pension has risen over £25.

I don't know petra - why did they? Where, please tell me (other than Bridgit's most recent post) has anyone attacked posters rather than the content of the post?

Posting something on Gransnet isn't quite the same as posting on FB Gracesgran.
I think you're being unfair to nfk.
The information on this thread is restricted to people who actually read the thread, and as you can see all those who have responded so far don't condone the original message and recognise it for what it is.
But FB is different. The OP will be seen by that person's 'friends' whether they want to see it or not.
Then it will be seen by the 'friends' of anyone who comments on the OP.
Then if they comment, it will be seen by all their 'friends' as well.
That's how things go viral.
The only way anything on GN could go viral is if GNHQ post a link on their FB page or Twitter.
Hopefully they'll have more sense than to do that.

The wider question is whether social media should be more tightly regulated to prevent the spread of fake news and abusive posts.

good post jane re FB. However, if the 'friend' posts on a closed group, their friends who are not in that closed group can't see those posts. Or can they?

Why am I being unfair janeainsworth? I am sure WMKF is a very nice person. I am not saying anything about her personally. What I am saying is repeating rubbish spreads it. That is my opinion.

The information on this thread is in no way limited. Anyone can read it and if it becomes a thread on FB even more people can read it and share it, and reshare it.

I do not want to be associated with such views so have pointed out what I think of them. I have not attributed them to WMKF or her friend but I do not think repeating them helps. That is my opinion. Am I not allowed to post it?

I also believe that by posting it WMKF did not get an answer to her question in many cases so really, what purpose did it serve?

jane you are mistaken. My Fb is set up so that only my friends can see what I post. It depends on how you set up your privacy settings.

Surely anyone can go on GN facebook and link back to the thread. Once on GN they can look at any thread on GN that takes their fancy.

Nonnie I agree that only your friends see what you post as your status.
But I think that if one of your friends posted a comment on a Britain First post, you would see both your friend's comment and Britain First's OP.
If you then posted a comment, that would be seen by everyone who sees Britain First's OP.
You can control who sees your own OPs, but not comments you make on other people's.
Gracesgran I can't speak for NFK but I think whether it was her intention or not, the thread has served a purpose in alerting people about being careful about re-posting things on social media.

What will someone see if they look at the thread?
There isn't anything racist apart from what was copied, with what was a discussion about how these so called 'facts' had done the rounds of social media before.
I dont see why anyone would need to question why it had been posted, because dumpling explained why. I don't see that her friend could be judged as not nice, because again, dumpling explained that her friend tends to jump onto any passing bandwagon with questioning it.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/17/pakistani-humanist-denied-uk-asylum-after-failing-to-identify-plato

Much more important.

Why don’t you start a separate thread dj?

Trying to deflect from the aggro, jane.

GGM2 you are talking of the wrong poster in any case, it was an OP by Nfk and not Wilma.
That’s just btw.
Nfk just read this whole sorry thread......you have been jumped on from a great height by the usual suspects.
There is no reason for anyone to be so unpleasant to the OP at all, she doesn’t agree with the messages and quite rightly, it’s a load of garbage that has been doing the rounds for a while.

I put the whole thing on as, as you read down it sounds almost plausible - like the one about how much better off pensioners would be in prison than in a care home which is on it’s way around. Again. (Well, probably not plausible to any of you, but it is to a lot of people - even if they were to stop and wonder why the supposed income is just that little bit higher than any of them could ever hope to earn.). Easy to be sucked in if you’re afraid of people who don’t speak English. Several of my friends shared the prison being better than care homes one the first time around - and this one too. People who have given to Syrian refugee charities, who’re soft hearted generous and wouldn’t hurt a flea. But afraid. Afraid of change, the way the country - and world - is heading. Afraid of change.

I was upset that some misunderstood me and thought I was trying to promote racism, but it was my fault for not explaining myself properly.

It sounds easy to just in-friend this person, but in this case I can’t. And anyway, should we just unfriend - or try to point out what the post actually says? What it is. And how to do it without belittling or embarrassing. I needed facts. True facts to put to this person so she doesn’t share stuff like this again.

I have tried to give you some facts, Nfk, like the fact that refugees and asylum seekers only get £37.50 a week now for subsistence allowance, a rise of £1.75 from six years ago.
I find that quite appalling.
Someone else has told you that illegal immigrants get nothing.

I had guessed that illegal immigrants get nothing - other than, I would assume, bed and board in detention centres. Thanks for all the links. I now feel informed enough to stand on a soap box! In this particular case I have to tread carefully, but if I see anything coming from other directions I can now let fly!

Good luck.

There is no reason for anyone to be so unpleasant to the OP at all, she doesn’t agree with the messages and quite rightly, it’s a load of garbage that has been doing the rounds for a while.

No one was being unpleasant about the OP Lemons, just commenting on something she chose to post. You are only the second person I have seen attacking particular members although I calling people 'the usual suspects' is more likely to make people laugh than cry. These are grannies you are having a go at

This might have some bearing on how facebook can work.
I know some of you don't like skwawkbox or the Labour Party, but it's worth reading to find out how easy it is to smear people.

skwawkbox.org/2018/01/17/fawkes-displays-facebook-ignorance-to-smear-gwynne/

Will someone explain to me how you can get added to public groups by someone other than ones self?

(I'm an entirely unsophisticated facebook user..)

It’s possible maizie.
I was added to a group by someone I knew, fortunately a fairly innocuous professional group.

However I’m not sure how anyone would not know they’d been added to a group.

GracesGran can I just repeat what lemongrove said. I didn't start this thread. It was me that posted the link to the page on fullfacts.org dealing with the information Nfk found on her Facebook page. She said she had no idea where to go to check the facts. I think you got the wrong end of the stick.

I do think personal remarks were made and I'm not surprised GNHQ posted.

If they were very busy, jane, and did not have time to look at facebook all the time.
Why would someone check up to see if they'd been added to a group they didn't know about, as in the Andrew Gwynne example?