Is it time to name the accusers?

It's wrong, however, the people who do it are named, jailed and are in the paper.
It would be great if the papers gave as many column inches and photos to each rapist as they do to each person falsely accused of rape.

There is the threat of prosecution to deter anyone from committing any crime. Same deterrent as a rapist. Except most rapists know they won't get national press coverage and people talking about them on forums.

I agree, nonnie. If someone lies about someone else accusing them of a crime that they haven't committed, then I think the accuser has committed a crime and should be held to account for it. Wreaking havoc through lies on another person's life is the pits and should be treated as such.

I don't see why it is a numbers thing. Surely a wrong is a wrong, regardless of how many there are? If you were wrongly accused of a crime, and were the only one, would you want it to be dismissed because it was only you? I don't think so.

In other crimes the victim is named but in sex cases there is nothing to deter someone from making a false accusation.

I am at a loss to understand why anyone would think it is OK just because there is no evidence (so far) that it is widespread.

The numbers are so low Nonnie. Over a 5 year period, there were 109 prosecutions. It does seem to average at around 20 a year.
The issue is these all make the papers, so you feel it is a big problem.
Just under 12,000 recorded rapes of children in 2015-16 and 24,000 of adults.

20 false accusations a year.
36,000 recorded rapes a year.

Compare it with other extremely unlikely occurrences - let's take the 'rape' out of the conversation.

Death by 'fall from a cliff' - 18 in 2009
Killed by an animal - 24 in 2009
(I can only find older figures for this. But we're looking at unlikely comparable events and these numbers are pretty close)

Being falsely accused of rape really is as likely as dying from falling off a cliff.

I don't see these being given a high profile in the press and surely death is a much bigger blow than a false accusation.

But Primrose the numbers may be tiny but one is one too many . Only last year there was a woman who claimed rape, it was found to be false but one man had spent time in prison and the woman had made accusations in several areas with different police forces .

The real issue in these cases has been non or late disclosure of evidence - police, CPS and even Defence are in the firing line - get that right and then we'll see what's left. Primrose is absolutely right - these cases are vanishingly rare and its tail wagging dog to change the whole system for a few cases as awful as some of them might be. Other crimes were people are found not guilty or the case is discontinued also harm lives so why should just charged rapists keep their anonymity? How does that fit with an open justice system? And how many rape cases are based on 20 year old situations?

I agree with Primrose

Primrose "There are various stats about false rape allegations, the numbers are tiny. There was an investigation by the Crown Prosecution Service a few years ago and one thing they uncovered was that the people were quite often victims of a different crime." I think that is my point, it was a few years ago and things have changed now. Men are losing their jobs and having their lives ruined without any foundation. The accusation alone is doing this.

You say "There's a good reason why only men joke about a 'crazy ex'." that may be true in the sense of 'joke' but I have experience of women talking about their crazy ex and other very derogatory comments, this is not confined to only one sex.

You go on to discuss rape but that is not what I was suggesting, I agree that rape should be punished but what we are talking about here is wrongful accusation not rape.

If anyone who wrongfully accused another person was named it might well reduce such cases and also save the police time.

Agreed oldwoman, as the mother of a son, it really concerns me that sometime in the future, a woman could make a foundless accusation against him, maybe because he ended a relationship, and he would have to face what this poor student had to face, two years of it hanging over him, and as always there will be people who will assume that there is 'no smoke without fire'. I say this having brought him up to respect all people and to behave with consideration and have no worries that he is behaving in anyway other way. The accused should have anonymity until the trial verdict, we are starting to lose sight of innocent until proven guilty in the wake of the recent high publicity sexual abuse cases. And, I say this as the mother of a daughter too, so not just seeing this from the male point of view. It is appallingly difficult for the police to get it right, it does seem that whichever way they treat accusations, they are wrong, a difficult path.

There are various stats about false rape allegations, the numbers are tiny. There was an investigation by the Crown Prosecution Service a few years ago and one thing they uncovered was that the people were quite often victims of a different crime.

Rape Crisis gets 4,000 calls a week and there are around 11 rapes of adults an hour in the UK - plus the ones that are not reported or counted in official statistics, plus children under 16.
A 'spurned girlfriend' can make whatever accusations she likes to the police, but there is still a burden of proof. I think there are probably more (numerically more) horrific stories about 'spurned boyfriends' who stalk, intimidate, beat up and kill their ex's. There's a good reason why only men joke about a 'crazy ex'.
People are prosecuted for false allegations of rape and although it's horrible to live with a false accusation of anything, my sympathy lies with the rape victims on this.

They're reported by the media because they are rare.
Report every rape conviction. Put every rapist's photo in the paper. It would give the public a sense of perspective and everyone would realise how prevalent and common rape is.

I think the accused should not be named until found guilty. Naming him then could mean others coming forward which would result in another trial and, hopefully, a longer sentence.

I believe in innocent untill proven guilty. The police excuse the naming by claiming it may bring more victims forward , yes , but we cannot deny there are false allegation too.

The 'me too' is out of control,

DS3 says that in 20 years time he won't be able to prove where he was and what he was doing on a particular day.

The current situation seems to be that a spurned girlfriend can say what she likes about her ex and be believed by the police. I don't blame them, they can't win as some time ago they were told to assume allegations were genuine so it is difficult for them not to believe the accuser.

Not the same situation but a couple of years ago I was speaking to a policeman who wanted to arrest someone but I said no and he said that the woman can pretty much claim whatever she wants and get away with it. Yes, he was bitter, his brother had committed suicide because of a viscious ex.

I do agree with you. Even when the accused is proved innocent and the accusation false, his photograph and details are published, whereas the accuser remains completely anonymous, and in some cases goes on to do it again.

Nonnie I completely agree, and although I have every sympathy with #MeToo, I dislike the idea that people's lives are being ruined by an accusation from a long time ago with no evidence one way or the other; things seem to have moved towards 'guilty until proven innocent' which is not a road I think society should be going down..