So - what is Farage up to now ?!?

"Today the ONS (Office for National Statistics) released its latest homicide statistics, which cover the period up to the end of the 2016/17 year – and they made shocking reading.

Excluding the recording of the tragic deaths of ninety-six people in the Hillsborough disaster, which were recorded in 2016/17 because of the verdict of the Hillsborough inquest in that year even though they took place decades earlier, the rate of homicides (murder, manslaughter and infanticide) in England and Wales rose by eight percent compared to the preceding year.

However, this was not a one-off rise. The rate also rose in 2015/16 compared to the year before – meaning that in a period of just two years, the homicide rate in England and Wales rose by almost a fifth."

What's the betting May knew about this yesterday.

labour.org.uk/press/diane-abbott-responds-latest-ons-data-violent-crimes/

Let’s start with the following - May announced a new unit to control fake news. But it isn’t to control the lies constantly being told to us by the hard right press, oh no it is to control critical articles of the government and the Tories. In Manchester she outlined the intention to bring back the control of news to MSM rather than social media. The vast majority of MSM supports Tory policy and in most of the cases it is beginning to support the move to the hard right by a minority of the Tory party. Indeed anyone not following this hard line is being named as enemies and traitors.

May presided over mass illegal surveyance by GCHQ. She launched a bus with “go home” on its side. A message to “others”. We had the unedifying racist posters so reminiscent of 1930s Germany.
She is surrounded by hard-core right wingers.
There has been a further slide to the right with the introduction of a bill to bring in a new offence of “intimidation of those in public life” despite assurances from the police that this new bill isn’t necessary
This fresh offence will cover online criticism as well as the right to protest at for example when trump comes on his visit.
The recent events where a number of hard right Tories have been subjected to “public abuse” simply do not stand up to scrutiny, and appeared staged. Just as a number of questions in parliament over “traitorous civil servants” etc were found to be staged and false.

A number of threats of violence have been received by other MPs from supporters of Rees Mogg, the Britain First group. It has been dimscovered tat a number of these groups are training for civil war. The sort of war Farage is keen to remind us about if he doesn’t get his way over Brexit.

So Rees-Mogg is your Hitler figure?!
There are room for all views on GN but this is the looniest one yet.

ERG, lemon?

www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacob-rees-mogg-lies-brexit-theresa-may-dream-team-boris-johnson-michael-gove-deceitful-bully-18th-a8194011.html

Jacob Rees-Mogg is their leader.
German people ignored the news about fascism, just as you are doing. Fingers in your ears.

No, the difference between my posts and a lot of others on here is that my posts make sense.
Where are the platitudes in my last post above?
Who are these many Tories ‘horrified at what they are seeing’ ?What are they seeing?
Who is following ‘a hard right agenda’?
A growing movement? No, it really isn’t you know, and ramping up the rhetoric to say that it is, doesn’t make it so.

The difference between your posts lemon and most of the others is that yours are never based on evidence and tend to be platitudes.

The evidence of a lurch to the hard right is growing. The majority of Tories would certainly not be classed under this hard right movement, and are horrified by what they are seeing, but a significant number, who seem to have undue influence given their numbers are undoubtedly and worryingly following this hard right agenda. They are surrounded by a number of known Nazi sympathisers and white supremacists as well as being supported by facist groups in the U.K. who clearly recognise this hard rights group world view.

Not to be alarmed by this growing movement is folly indeed

The Olympic Games was a shop window. Of course all those statements were true.

It doesn't mean they don't exist today for a great many people. You're never going to get everyone to have the same views.

Utopia?

Tweet by Paul Singh

“Five years ago, Britain hosted the 30th modern Olympic Games.

We were a nation at ease with our place in the world
We were a nation comfortable with our multi-ethnic society
We were a nation that welcomed hundreds of thousands from abroad.
We were a nation of tolerance.

What happened”?

Who said that we were superior?
There are cultural differences and national differences though, as with all countries.
Why does anybody think that we are heading for the sort of situation that Germany did in the 30’s? Where is the Hitler figure in the UK?
When did Conservative politicians become ‘Fascists’ in anybody's mind?
This is all just a case of allowing hysteria to build up.
The only charge of anti-semitism actually is in the Labour Party,( since so many are keen to talk about Hitlers Germany.)
All the statements about Fascism ( suppression of the media,
Hatred of intellectuals etc etc ) can equally be applied to Communism.Any extreme, in other words.

My German friend who has lived in the UK for more than twenty-five years, working, paying taxes and contributing in many other ways, and was not allowed to vote in the EU referendum, has now decided to leave this country.

During the referendum campaign and since she has been several times subjected to racist abuse, something which had never happened in all the years she's lived here.

She is not old enough to remember the nazis, but her parents and grandparents were and she no longer feels comfortable in the UK.

The UK a fascist state! Ridiculous

One of the issues in Germany was that the everyday German could not believe where things could go either. That also led to the shutting down of those that spoke against the "dream" Hitler had offered all parts of the electorate except those he knew he had already lost. Shades of those who voted for the "dream" of Brexit and then wanted to close down discussion from those who see the dangers of it.

Why do you think we are such a superior group of people, in comparison to the Germans, that we could never behave as they did Lemons?

Don’t worry about me ninny as I think the comments on here from some are simply beyond silly.
The UK a fascist state! Ridiculous,

I've just read about someone who has moved to Germany; when asked by someone in a supermarket where they were from they replied they were a foreigner from Britain, but the reply was, you're not a foreigner, you're European'. Can't imagine anyone saying that in this country .

Ignoring that or I will say what I really think about free speech, bullying, etc.

I think some posters on here are acting like school girl bullies ganging up on Lemongrove just because she has a different view to you so much for free speech.

That definitely sounds like a nanny, telling her children off.
It brings to mind a Wilberforce saying;
"You may choose to look the other way but you can never say again that you did not know."

Maybe lemon is just trying to protect us from the folly of our thoughts, by telling us not to think.

So just how do we differ from the other human beings who happen to live in Germany Lemons?

It's actually quite a relief to read that article Jen. Sometimes you wonder if anyone else but a few can see that we are being ruled by a totally mad minority or if, as it seems, the whole country has yet again been fooled by an Emperor's new clothes scenario.

jura you seem determined to think that the UK could be like Germany, well, we are not!Never have been, either.

Considering that we were very closely allied to Germany for a century or so before WW1 & 2 and very much enjoyed their country, people and culture, that is a ridiculous statement. It's about time that people got over the 'evil hun' meme and realised that 'there, for but the grace of god, we could go'.

In fact, we have been there. Our Imperial history and the awful things we did to 'subject peoples' should have us being honest about our own humanity and capability to do dreadful things rather than crowing about our illusory superiority.

Also, human nature is pretty much the same whatever your nationality.

"Was there ever a more exquisitely polite thug than Jacob Rees-Mogg?

On indefinite secondment from the mid-18th century, the Honourable Member for the East India Company has finally offered a flash of the real Moggy behind the mask. Hidden until now beneath the Savile Row three-piece and floridly courteous facade lies a deceitful bully with a taste for attacking those more honest than himself."

MSM says we can call him a thug.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/jacob-rees-mogg-lies-brexit-theresa-may-dream-team-boris-johnson-michael-gove-deceitful-bully-18th-a8194011.html

That's why so many on the right can see Rees-Mogg as PM, as long as he brings his nanny with him.

And he will also sell the NHS to the US, as he makes money out of that.

www.theweek.co.uk/91482/will-the-nhs-be-for-sale-after-brexit

lemongrove- you couldn't be further than the truth. I certainly do not wish it- for sure. I certainly don't want my grandchildren to have to grow up through times like this, And of course I am fully aware the UK is not Germany, and never will be - really.

But look at the circumstances which led to the rise of fascism- and if things go belly up with Brexit and the EU, with a further drop in exchange rates, and if the USA economy and stock exchange tanks (and there are worrying signs it may do...) with more migrants arriving from desperate countries torn up by war and famine, and lack of water (the south of South Africa is day away from taps being turned off...) then I think conditions could become ripe again for real trouble.

Which is why many of us believe that, even if the EU is not perfect- we are better off standing together, working together - rather first partners, than vassals of China, USA and Saudi Arabia.

JRM is an example of that GG - in his ideal world the state would prevent pregnant raped children from having an abortion

Pro-EU campaign secures £400,000 from George Soros

I am really glad that someone is backing a Pro-EU campaign but I do hope they realise that publishing facts will have no effect on some as they are working on pure emotion. They will have, perhaps, to draw on these emotions to convince people the EU has looked after the worst hit areas of after Thatcher UK while our own governments have done little.

They will certainly have to waken up those who thought that everyone could see the advantages of Europe and put forward some ideas about how our government could ensure we feel as involve in the decision making as we actually have been.

The poster should also say that the right with an inclination to fascism (even when they can't recognise it) - become ever more dictatorial as they move towards fascism. I have always thought that the antagonism to what they call the 'nanny state' is because they think being the bossy 'nanny' to everyone else is their job.