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Maybot’s lack of self belief, alarms Tory members

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whitewave Wed 24-Jan-18 12:17:31

Continuity of previous thread.

It is interesting to know that the Tories have chosen the environment as one of the focuses in order to try and tackle the young vote.

This morning I read that this failing government (shades of Trumpgrin is refusing to sign up to the EUs plan to tackle plastic waste.

A prime example f this government shooting itself in the foot on a number of levels.

Bridgeit Mon 05-Feb-18 16:36:55

Does the fact that Theresa May doesn’t give us a blow by blow account of the negotiations mean that she doesn’t know what she is doing? Surely a good negotiator doesn’t put all the cards on the table at the off ,it’s called negotiation for a reason surely.

durhamjen Mon 05-Feb-18 17:17:36

She doesn't put any cards on the table unless they are torn out of her hands.
Negotiation is for both sides, not just one.
Can you say anything that has been concretely agreed, because even the Irish question and EU citizens have not been sorted completely, have they?
All she seems to do is mess around with the vocabulary. Tha's not negotiation.

whitewave Mon 05-Feb-18 17:20:15

Time for keeping cards close to your chest has way gone. They’ve blown that as they are so clueless.

durhamjen Mon 05-Feb-18 17:20:21

By the way, it's not May doing the negotiating, it's David Davis.
He'll tell us one thing and she will disagree.

whitewave Mon 05-Feb-18 17:21:30

No dj it is the hard right who are running Maybot who will disagree

durhamjen Mon 05-Feb-18 17:25:11

And they will tell her and she will tell her spokesperson and s/he will tell the reporters who will tell us.
Maybe that's why she went to China, to find out a bit more about Chinese whispers.

durhamjen Mon 05-Feb-18 17:29:29

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/04/brexit-mess-theresa-may-tories

Bridgeit Mon 05-Feb-18 17:41:39

Did anyone seriously believe it would be any different than it is? Did ardent leavers really think that it would be easy , quick & straight forward. A divorce between two people becomes bogged down when the spoils are split. It’s not as if we weren’t warned.
And why on earth would negotiaters give a blow by blow account until a deal is signed ,sealed & delivered. All the second guessing is pointless.Those who voted to leave will just have to wait & see if the reality matches their vision, wishes & expectations .At the end of the day no one could say for sure how it would pan out, we took a gamble & in time history will reveal if the gamble paid off.

whitewave Tue 06-Feb-18 08:40:44

Ooh Er!

Tories are going to nationalise the East Coast Line.

I wait with huge confidence screaming headlines from the Fail, Sun and Torygraph over the way this government is spending tax payers money and leaving debt to our grandchildren and becoming a socialist or Marxist state

whitewave Tue 06-Feb-18 08:53:01

Soubry calls on Maybot to stand up to the 35 loons who are running the Tory party. Soubry went on to say that they destroyed Major and Cameron, neither of whom were willing to stand up to them. It will destroy the Tory party if they are allowed to prevail.

Imo the biggest worry are those shadowy backers and from which Stable they come from. The U.K. fought a war to rid itself of such people and yet just like a cancer they is creeping back,

varian Tue 06-Feb-18 10:09:22

Meanwhile TM is congratulated by her scriptwriters at the Daily Mail for doing as directed.

whitewave Tue 06-Feb-18 10:10:01

How many lies have been told by our parliamentary representatives in the past few months?

Too many imo and an affront to our democracy.

Speaker should call them out and force them To apologise or leave the House.

It seems that anything goes in following your own political agenda

MaizieD Tue 06-Feb-18 10:56:26

Did ardent leavers really think that it would be easy , quick & straight forward.

Judging from comments on here, and on other social media, I'd say that that is absolutely what a great many Leavers thought/think.

MaizieD Tue 06-Feb-18 11:00:14

Soubry calls on Maybot to stand up to the 35 loons who are running the Tory party. Soubry went on to say that they destroyed Major and Cameron, neither of whom were willing to stand up to them. It will destroy the Tory party if they are allowed to prevail.

With a link!

uk.businessinsider.com/anna-soubry-theresa-may-purge-brexiteers-conservatives-party-2018-2

Fennel Tue 06-Feb-18 12:00:51

I saw Anna Soubry on the BBC2 politics programme a few weeks ago, and she certainly seemed to mean business . Almost persuaded me to change from Labour to Tory (God forbid.)
Are we seeing the slow painful demise of the feeble branch of the Tory party currently 'in power'?

whitewave Tue 06-Feb-18 12:10:24

I think what we are seeing is a bid of the far right trying to cease control. They seem to be in charge of the Brexit process as Soubry has identified. I think that they are intent on changing the Tory party as well.

whitewave Wed 07-Feb-18 12:08:52

Just read the following in the other place.

Remember that facistic title in the Fail calling our independent judiciary, (and something that we can be justly proud of ) “enemies of the people”?

The journalist responsible for that headline is now working as Mays press secretary.

Who said she isn’t in Dacres pocket?

whitewave Wed 07-Feb-18 14:39:33

Maybot refuses ruling out letting the USA getting its sticky fingers on our NHS.

mostlyharmless Wed 07-Feb-18 14:54:25

Yes whitewave May managed to ignore Vince Cable's question about an American trade deal resulting in American firms investing in the privatisation of NHS.
She just started a load of waffle about making sure we had the best trade deal.
She seems to have these waffly diatribes for every occasion.

mostlyharmless Wed 07-Feb-18 15:17:27

PMQ has become an opportunity to trade statistics. Corbyn states a figure (police numbers today) - May contradicts it and produces a different figure. Corbyn says crime has gone up under the Tories, May uses a different type of statistic to say crime has gone down. Very tedious.
We all know police numbers have been cut drastically.

Some analysis of crime and policing statistics from BBC: Reality Check: What has happened to police numbers?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42977661

durhamjen Wed 07-Feb-18 15:36:26

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/01/30/the-economic-case-against-brexit-is-now-unarguable

whitewave Wed 07-Feb-18 15:50:04

Wonder if Brexiters have stopped for a nano-second over the NHS being opened up to the USA

Fennel Wed 07-Feb-18 16:29:17

I watched PM's questions today too, * mostlyharmless*.
As you say statistics can be tedious.
What types of crime? Which are increasing? Which are decreasing? Are people more willing to report crime? Are 'minor' crimes not reported? etc.

durhamjen Wed 07-Feb-18 16:37:37

I reported a crime a couple of years ago and was told it wasn't a police matter, but a civil matter.
No number, no crime.

jura2 Wed 07-Feb-18 17:14:55

Yes WW- hugely concerning that Mrs May refused to answere the question asked by Vince Cable on the sale of the NHS to the USA - what she did NOT say meant so much more than what she did (waffle) say.

Did anyone when voting for Brexit ever think this is what ti would end up meaning- as well as selling our environmental and animal welfare standards in exchange for deals with the USA? Tories keep saying we are vassals of the EU- when we are in fact full and very influential partners at the moment, with very special deals no-one has in the EU (no Schengen, no Euro, etc)- but they want to turn us to being minor vassals at the merci of the USA and China sad - how can that ever be 'taking back control'?

Anyone seen the articles today about the huge amounts of money Rees-Mogg would rake in via his business allies after Brexit (oh and the sickening video he posted of his poor youngest child being encouraged by him to say 'brexit'. Poor kids has got a lisp and it definitely sounded like 'Brexshit'- sad that he would use his child that way. Forgotten the name of the Tory agriculture minister who publicly fed his kid a burger during the CJD crisis.