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Maybot’s lack of self belief, alarms Tory members

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whitewave Wed 24-Jan-18 12:17:31

Continuity of previous thread.

It is interesting to know that the Tories have chosen the environment as one of the focuses in order to try and tackle the young vote.

This morning I read that this failing government (shades of Trumpgrin is refusing to sign up to the EUs plan to tackle plastic waste.

A prime example f this government shooting itself in the foot on a number of levels.

durhamjen Sun 28-Jan-18 15:09:15

"The Brexit campaign majored on the NHS because it matters so much to so many people regardless of traditional political divides. Opinion polling finds that the NHS is consistently in the top three issues of concern for the public. Support remains rock solid with almost nine in 10 in favour of a tax funded, comprehensive service free at the point of use. That support crosses all age groups, regions, income brackets and political affiliations. And the government is losing the perceptions battle on its stewardship of the service. Labour has a growing 19 point lead on public trust to look after the health service."

This is why Boris started talking about the NHS again.
Do you think May would get any more credit if she swapped Boris for Hunt?

durhamjen Sun 28-Jan-18 14:45:29

Two types of Brexiteers, headbangers and pragmatists.

durhamjen Sun 28-Jan-18 14:43:23

It would be funny if it wasn't true, whitewave. Svary, isn't it?

An interesting article here by Ian Dunt.

www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2018/01/26/week-in-review-reality-is-tearing-the-tories-apart-on-brexit

What Hammond said about alignment is exactly what the Tory front bench agreed to in order to get the no-hard-border with Ireland agreement with the EU.
Tory short-term memory again.

whitewave Sun 28-Jan-18 14:35:26

Further to the government’s paralysis I read that 6 out of 10 academies are complaining about lack of funding. I assume that means that they have less cash to pay for all the privatised services they are employing in order to cream off the profit.

whitewave Sun 28-Jan-18 14:33:14

grin

durhamjen Sun 28-Jan-18 14:31:38

Corbyn is having meetings with his front bench so they can agree on a position on Brexit.
Until, of course, the backbenchers who were frontbenchers start to disagree with the frontbenchers who were backbenchers.

whitewave Sun 28-Jan-18 14:28:45

Extracted from the Observer

whitewave Sun 28-Jan-18 14:27:54

185 Lords so far are down to speak on Brexit with all the signs that the Lords will go as far as they can in amending the bill, which is grim news for Maybot who is up against it with her brextremists.

Both Houses are more disuntited than ever, and both main parties becoming ever more split over exactly what Brexit should mean.

Serious amendments mean that the government could be defeated on many of the more difficult issues, like the departure date, customs union and single market.

The massive level of legislation is leaving everyone scratching their head on how it can be dealt with in time.

As Mays parties arguments deepen, and her inability to defuse them becomes ever more apparent, the Brexit crises is growing, as are the questions over Mays ability to continue as leader. Her reshuffle which was meant to breath new life into her cabinet merely opened many old and new wounds and caused fresh resentments. May was unable to sack those she wanted rid of because she is so weak, and the hope by the hard right that they could get a foothold in Government was hardly realised. Many Tory MPs are openly criticising May. The 1922 Committee has received nearly 48 letters, sufficient to call a vote of confidence in May. They are bound to act once that number is reached.

Brexit is sucking the life out of many serious domestic issues including the NHS. And the government seems paralysed.

How long this state of affairs can continue is a question we would all like answered.

whitewave Sun 28-Jan-18 14:07:46

First out of the block is the 6/1 Mogg, putting on pressure or May to toe the line over a hard Brexit.

Who will take him on and challenge his assumptions?

He certainly seems to have the backing of the BBC, with plenty of air time for a mere back bencher.

whitewave Sun 28-Jan-18 11:40:50

Odds on next leader are as follows

Mogg 6/1
Johnson 8/1
Loathsome 10/1
Rudd 12/1
Davis 16/1
Hunt 16/1
Davidson 16/1
Williamson 18/1
Gove 20/1

The others including Hammond are outsiders.

Be interesting to see how the odds change over the next 3 months

whitewave Sun 28-Jan-18 11:34:50

May has 3 months in which to get her act together.

So expect a major push from all the would be Tory leaders during the next 3 months as Maybot is so utterly incompetent that she of course is incapable of getting her act together, and in any way there will be aspiring leaders who will undermine her every step of the way.

So the question is who will likely get voted in by the minuscule minority that is left of the Tory party who are in no way representative of the country at large.
It is a real problem.

durhamjen Sun 28-Jan-18 11:12:19

It's all about the choices the government makes.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/01/28/paying-for-it/

durhamjen Sun 28-Jan-18 09:43:44

www.makevotesmatter.org.uk/hungry-for-democracy/

For anyone who wants PR.

durhamjen Sat 27-Jan-18 22:56:08

Trump's got in on the act as well, now, hasn't he?

Telling May he would have been different and tougher in the Brexit negotiations is not a good way to cement relationships, but then he didn't want to do that, did he?

jura2 Sat 27-Jan-18 21:35:08

After the disastrous speech in Davos, attended by so few, with many of those present actually walking out in the middle- the World Press, and of course all over the EU- is having a field day on the Tory split- predicting that it will fall apart sooner rather than later. Just one example- the title from The Spiegel in Germany- replicated in more or less same words all over the world:

Brexit Masochism The Blood Feud Among British Conservatives

The sparring over Britain's relationship with Europe didn't just escalate with 2016's Brexit vote: The Conservatives have been bickering over the EU for 30 years with nary a care about the consequences of leaving. Why?

jura2 Sat 27-Jan-18 20:53:16

David Davies gets worse by the day- he looks half dead, puffy, not with it at all, and hysterical even. He got such a severe questionning form Rees-Mogg- and all he could do was laugh. The Party is truly split, and they are definitely plotting a takeover. The country is truly at risk now- as it is likely to lead to a general election and massive mayhem.

Put your head in the sand if you wish ...

durhamjen Sat 27-Jan-18 15:37:10

"Labour's John McDonnell has called for a new "Hippocratic oath" at Britain's large accountancy firms, warning that they must work to maximise the amount of tax their clients pay.

Speaking at the World Economic Forum in Davos, the shadow chancellor said the so-called big four accountants were not doing enough to tackle tax avoidance.

He reserved his harshest comments for accountancy firms, whom he said must change "their entire ethos" and rediscover their moral purpose.

"I think we need a new Hippocratic oath for [the accountancy firms], where they sign up to being committed to tackling tax avoidance themselves, rather than coming up with all these bizarre schemes to enable that to happen," Mr McDonnell told the BBC."

This is something that May said she was going to tackle, but of course, she hasn't. So it will be interesting to see if she comes up with a big idea to tackle tax abuse. It would get her more kudos from those outside her party rather than in it; however she needs all the help she can get.

durhamjen Sat 27-Jan-18 15:31:50

May told us there wasn't a magic money tree, and she's been using it all along.
No wonder her party don't trust her.

durhamjen Sat 27-Jan-18 15:30:02

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/01/27/shaking-the-magic-money-tree/

whitewave Sat 27-Jan-18 15:27:31

The Times is reporting that May has abandoned any idea of giving another major Brexit speech because she is afraid of annoying even further the waring factions in her anarchical party.

whitewave Sat 27-Jan-18 15:21:06

I am simply reporting what I read.

whitewave Sat 27-Jan-18 15:20:37

Confirmed by Tim Montgomerie. Who says that despair of May is almost universal

lemongrove Sat 27-Jan-18 15:18:23

I certainly don’t take you seriously durhamjen.

lemongrove Sat 27-Jan-18 15:16:48

grin
Being hopeful again I see whitew

whitewave Sat 27-Jan-18 15:13:26

Blimey! There seems to be world war 3 going on in the upper echelons and not so upper in the Tory party. Mays position is looking very dodgy. Anarchy is reporting to be breaking out.