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Maybot’s lack of self belief, alarms Tory members

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whitewave Wed 24-Jan-18 12:17:31

Continuity of previous thread.

It is interesting to know that the Tories have chosen the environment as one of the focuses in order to try and tackle the young vote.

This morning I read that this failing government (shades of Trumpgrin is refusing to sign up to the EUs plan to tackle plastic waste.

A prime example f this government shooting itself in the foot on a number of levels.

whitewave Sun 04-Mar-18 15:26:04

Very few of the Tory cabinet act as if they understand anything.

MaizieD Sun 04-Mar-18 15:42:55

Well, Bridgeit. If she does understand the reality of the NI border she certainly doesn't seem to want to come clean to 'the people' about it. Because it's unsolvable within the constraints she has set herself.

Tegan2 Sun 04-Mar-18 15:45:47

Err; how many actual crossing points are there between the north and the south? Including people whose land covers both countries.

MaizieD Sun 04-Mar-18 15:53:22

Isn't it about 200+ crossing points?

Bridgeit Sun 04-Mar-18 15:56:41

Perhaps some GN leavers could point her in the right direction .

Tegan2 Sun 04-Mar-18 16:00:20

She says we've all got to 'come together' but why should I forsake my beliefs when I still believe in them? And, when she talks about the will if the people, what about the will of the people of Ireland, Scotland and Gibraltar? angry...

Bridgeit Sun 04-Mar-18 16:08:36

Depends on how inhabitants see themselves are we all Great Britains or are we Little Englanders, Scottish or Welsh, & don’t forget the Cornish uprising ?, some would like borders there . Just a little lighthearted speculation on federalism!

durhamjen Sun 04-Mar-18 16:33:49

Of course you thought the speech wasn't bad, lemon. You're a Tory.
I wouldn't put a link on if I didn't agree with it.

durhamjen Sun 04-Mar-18 16:34:20

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/93320/tory-rebels-hint-climbdown-over

The cowards.

durhamjen Sun 04-Mar-18 16:42:53

I also don't pretend that my thoughts are more important than those of experts who have looked into it for years.

www.progressivepulse.org/brexit/securing-the-border-an-impossible-task

The answer to Northern Ireland is to stay in the EU.

durhamjen Sun 04-Mar-18 23:37:40

"As the cold settles in and the national gas supply is running low we are hearing horrific stories...

All across the country, Socialists are being forced to put their hands in their own pockets."

This is from Activate, the new Tory youth wing.
All heart, aren't they?

Jalima1108 Mon 05-Mar-18 00:10:08

^Even Boris's sister didn't want to be on The Last Leg tonight when it meant she was connected to him.

I didn't see it so can't comment on the content - did she say she didn't want to be on it tonight?
Everyone knows they are brother and sister and everyone knows they disagreed over Brexit - and probably other issues too.

I don't know why she went on, actually.
She's her own person so there's no reason why she shouldn't go on surely? Being Boris's sister shouldn't prevent her from doing or saying what she wants.

durhamjen Mon 05-Mar-18 00:16:24

What? How long ago was that?
Have you ever watched The Last Leg?

durhamjen Mon 05-Mar-18 00:46:53

By the way, the joke from Activate was posted on 1st March.
Andrew Bridgen repeated it today on Daily Politics.
He'd had 3 days to think about it, and still thought it was worth repeating, regardless of how much news there had been of homeless people sleeping on the streets.
He must have heard of the man found dead in his tent at Retford, only 40 miles away from his constituency.

durhamjen Fri 09-Mar-18 16:49:27

More Tory members shooting themselves in the foot, or should that be feet?

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-minister-ridiculed-petition-against-12152223

durhamjen Fri 09-Mar-18 16:51:28

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-who-lavished-praise-crown-12152627

I wonder how much has been handed out altogether to get the millions of trade deals announced in this visit.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 09-Mar-18 17:02:48

There seems to be something lacking with Gavin Williamson. Has he been promoted too early?

durhamjen Fri 09-Mar-18 17:11:25

Elected too early, I think.

durhamjen Fri 09-Mar-18 21:30:38

www.indy100.com/article/theresa-may-prime-minister-conservative-itv-interview-friends-relax-international-womens-day-8247401

Sad. It wasn't the most difficult question to answer, even if she doesn't have any friends.

durhamjen Sat 10-Mar-18 23:35:58

www.independent.co.uk/voices/philip-hammond-wealth-tax-tories-chancellor-labour-corbyn-ward-off-how-a8243801.html

What do you think? Would he dare?

GracesGranMK2 Sat 17-Mar-18 08:52:34

Press release from the Equality and Human Rights Commission as it publishes its final report on the impact of tax and social security changes in the UK over the last few years yesterday:

Four months after releasing our interim report, we have today released our final cumulative impact assessment, exposing how much individuals and households are expected to gain or lose, and how many adults and children will fall below an adequate standard of living, as a result of recent changes to taxes and social security.

The report, which looks at the impact reforms from 2010 to 2018 will have on various groups across society in 2021 to 2022, suggests children will be hit the hardest as:

*an extra 1.5 million will be in poverty
*the child poverty rate for those in lone parent households will increase from 37% to over 62%
*households with three or more children will see articularly large losses of around £5,600

The report also finds:
*households with at least one disabled adult and a disabled child will lose over £6,500 a year, over 13% of their annual income
*Bangladeshi households will lose around £4,400 a year, in comparison to ‘White’ households, or households with adults of differing ethnicity, which will only lose between £500 and £600 on average
*lone parents will lose an average of £5,250 a year, almost one-fifth of their annual income
*women will lose about £400 per year on average, while men will only lose £30

The negative impacts are largely driven by changes to the benefit system, in particular the freeze in working-age benefit rates, changes to disability benefits, and reductions in Universal Credit rates.

David Isaac, the Chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission, which is responsible for making recommendations to Government on the compatibility of policy and legislation with equality and human rights standards, said:

It’s disappointing to discover that the reforms we have examined negatively affect the most disadvantaged in our society. It’s even more shocking that children – the future generation – will be the hardest hit and that so many will be condemned to start life in poverty. We cannot let this continue if we want a fairer Britain.

We are keen to work together with government to achieve its vision of a Britain that works for everyone. To achieve this outcome it is essential that a full cumulative impact analysis is undertaken of all current and future tax and social security policies. We have proved it’s possible and urge the Government to follow our lead and work with us to deliver it.

As well as calling on the Government to commit to undertaking cumulative impact assessments of all tax and social security policies, particularly in order to comply with the Public Sector Equality Duty, the Commission is also reiterating its call for government to:

*reconsider existing policies that are contributing to negative financial impacts for those who are most disadvantaged
*review the level of welfare benefits to ensure that they provide an adequate standard of living

The announcement comes one week after the Commission submitted a report to the UN’s Committee on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR) highlighting that the UK’s social security system does not provide sufficient assistance to tackle inadequate living standards.

Download the reports
The cumulative impact of tax and welfare reforms
The impact of welfare reform and welfare-to-work programmes: an evidence review

GracesGranMK2 Sat 17-Mar-18 08:54:32

Looking at the above report you can only hope Phillip Hammond has the guts to do what needs to be done, Jen.

durhamjen Sat 17-Mar-18 09:07:05

Can't wait for the government response to that report, GracesGran, to see how keen they are to work with the commission to achieve May's dream of a country that works for everyone.
Did you detect a bit of sarcasm in that paragraph?
Call my bluff?

GracesGranMK2 Sat 17-Mar-18 09:13:10

Do you think they will bother Jen. Let's face it, it was there policies that have brought this about so presumably they will just stand by and watch - as the Tories have done all through their recent governments, sadly.

May talks the talk but she certainly doesn't walk the walk and I get the impression that her idea of "just managing" would not be the same as mine.

MaizieD Sat 17-Mar-18 12:05:10

May is about to make a speech to partly address this issue, apparently:

In a speech that has echoes her infamous “nasty party” warning 16 years ago, the prime minister will say hospitals and schools are facing difficulties that the government must show it is trying to tackle.

While always defending our record in office, we also need to accept that our public services today do face real challenges and we must be clear about the action we are taking to help them,” she will tell the Tories’ spring conference in central London

Her comments are likely to raise the hopes of MPs who have been calling on ministers to boost NHS spending through new tax rises, with changes expected in the autumn budget.

There's more but it makes me so cross just to read it...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/mar/17/people-dont-trust-us-on-nhs-and-schools-theresa-may-admits