The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

What has that to do with it dj? Book shops are free to choose what books they sell, I question banning David Walliums books but not books making money from murders.

Isn't the point about independent bookshops that they are independent and can stock the books they want?

Thank you Gilly. This thread conjures up thoughts of frightened little females in chains being paraded for men in their eighties to ogle and fondle.

All men are not sex fiends and all women are not naive .

It is women who brought up these sex fiends and naive innocents

Excellent points Anniebach

I think hysteria is the right word. All the men were old men, the majority of females were naive young girls just trying to earn some money. All the money raised was tainted money.

David Walliums books removed from book shelves, wonder how many books on murders ,not fictional, are on bookshelves

There may be an element of anxiety around this kind of event but hysteria seems too strong a word to use. I accept I've been struggling with my Mary Whitehouse inclinations for several years now but - I find it impossible to believe that society doesn't need a sensible, calm and well informed debate about the issues raised by this charity fund raiser. Polarising the debate into - all women are victims, all men potential rapists isn't helpful. Neither is denying that most women will experience some kind of unwanted, uninvited sexual encounter at some stage of their life. The same goes for men, especially young men working in environments like hen does. What about gay men and lesbian women who are regularly subjected to suggestions by members of the opposite sex that all they need is a goo man/woman to teach them the way to heterosexuality.
We should avoid simplifying complex questions - here endeth this mornings grumble.

David Walliams was the host at this event, his books are being removed from book shops , hysteria, hysteria, hysteria

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What would happen to the money though? Surely not returned to the donors?

What seems to me to be more important is how much the Tory party has been given by these party goers.
This is Richard Caring's list, much of it in auction prizes.
He's the one who paid the most for the boob job.

Of course he saves most of it in not paying tax, due to his non-dom status and having bank accounts in Switzerland.

What the charities have to do is explain whether it would lose them more money by keeping the dodgy money or by sending it back.
Charities commission has actually thought of this scenario.

too many 'woulds' but I hope ycswim

No, I know djen, and of course it is better to be ethical. I can understand them refusing this year's money after all this has come out but they could have said 'too late, we've spent the money from previous years on vital equipment/services.

What I think would be petty would be if a would-be donor said, "well, I'm not giving money to your good cause because three years ago you unknowingly accepted money from a fundraising event which has since proved to be sleazy".
I would think, well, they won't be getting money from that source in future so they will need even more.

I didn't make that rule up about returning money, Jalima. It's true, even if you think it's petty.
Personally, I like the idea that charities try to be ethical. It shouldn't take all sorts in the charity world.

I wonder if Mrs Caring knows a good lawyer?
Now, who is that Fiona woman again?

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Imagine the scene at home:

'I'm off to a charity dinner, darling, hoping to raise money for good causes'
'That's wonderful, darling, try to bid for something we can all enjoy'
'Darling, I had a lovely time, there were lots of sweet fresh-faced young women there and it made me think I should bid for some plastic surgery - for you'.

Anyone know a good lawyer?

If a large donor says he will not support you any more if you don't give the money back, then charities are allowed to return money.
Goodness me, that would be petty, wouldn't it?
to say you would not support a worthy cause because it won't give back money accepted in good faith in previous years before this became public.

Glass houses too?

Exactly missadventure you would think we were talking about 14 year olds. They were women! Presumably with their own free mind and will.

They're women, not young girls.

So “using “‘young girls doesn’t matter? Funny that. But makes sense if you are giving a great job opportunity to girls to parade around you should give equal opportunity to young men to do the same.

Probably because the male drivers/riders wouldn’t want to be associated with young men in tight/ skimpy shorts suzied which would probably cause a whole new “upset” when they would all be accused of “using” young boys .

You did make me laugh ChristineFrance

I expect there must have been a few there who would have appreciated it ,if there had of been. What would have been made of that I wonder ?