The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

Or at least a mixture of both sexes!

Why don't they have attractive young men in tight shorts parading at formula one or the tour de France etc?

Prostitution is not illegal, soliciting in a public place or running a brothel is

Prostitution isn't illegal, that is paying for or receiving money for sex, but soliciting, kerb crawling and running a brothel are.

Exactly- anyone of any sex should be able to walk around looking attractive and not be subject to any unwanted touching or attention.
And Annie prostitution is illegal.

but she should be able to do that, without others thinking that gives them the right to grope or reach for her boobs ?

It is definitely not the girls who are being judged on here, & if some of those girls knew & were ok with being a bit more than eye candy & possibly being touched, then good on them as long as it is their choice. Seems very suspect that they had to sign a long & no time to read disclaimer,obviously to cover the backs of the organisers.
It is just disheartening that some men feel they still have the right to do as they please regarding their behaviour towards women, by virtue of wealth & position. I bet they would be horrified if they were arrested & classified as sexpests , which is what they would be ,if they behaved like this in other walks of life.

If ( and it’s a big if) my granddaughter decided to walk around in a skimpy outfit at a formula 1 meeting ( or whatever) rather than clean shit off some rich woman’s toilet who am I to tell her it’s wrong ?

Fennel, Bill Gates doesn't seem to feel the need to flaunt his wealth at dinners like this.
If everyone who was at those dinners over the years just gave their money to Great Ormond Street Hospital, I doubt they would be any the worse off, and lots of young women might feel better about themselves.

I am intrigued as to a point repeatedly mentioned. .

What has the cost of the ticket to attend the function got to do with it?

If you have ever run a charity do you have to get as much as you possibly can for free / donated but you have to ensure all costs are met. If you make ANY money from ticket sales / auctions etc. a well run charity hands over ALL the profit raised.

One can presume the higher the ticket cost the better for the fund raising possibly.

I have mixed feelings about these big charity dinners.
On the one hand they seem to be sometimes used for the rich and famous to compete in flaunting their wealth.
On the other hand, where would the needy organisations be without them?
From what I've seen they charge a lot to attend, more than the cost of food and drink, we certainly couldn't afford it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42818467

Whether charities are allowed to return money.
If a large donor says he will not support you any more if you don't give the money back, then charities are allowed to return money.

That's what I'm wondering Eloethan - where will the money go? Presumably the Presidents Club is/has a charitable trust - there must be some charities so desperate for money they will gladly accept it surely?

What's done is done, what's given is given and should now be spent to help children and perhaps there will be more awareness in future, until the next scandal anyway.

So you wouldn't mind if your granddaughters were treated like that, Annie?

gillybob The people who are passing judgment on the young women are those who are saying the whole thing is a lot of fuss about nothing. It has been suggested that because these young women, having accepted certain conditions under which they were employed, should have anticipated and accepted the sort of behaviour that occurred.

I certainly don't blame the women for choosing to take up this employment, even if it meant wearing a skimpy outfit. Does the fact that a woman is wearing a skimpy outfit and is paid £150 for hostessing mean that, in a sense, she is accepting a deal that includes lewd comments, unwelcome propositions and hands up skirts?

I do, however, agree that it is a fairly pointless handing the money back. If the Club had continued and the hospitals had kept on accepting the money raised by such events, that would have merited outrage. What is happening to the money - presumably it will go to charity in some form anyway?

" All monies raised in our name go to support vital work. However, due to the wholly unacceptable nature of the event we are returning previous donations and will no longer accept gifts from the Presidents Club Charitable Trust.”
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So what would / will they do if this a 'principle' with regard to my previous question.

"Great Ormond Street has set a precedent has it not. What if JM Barrie were to be found to be a paedophile ? What if GOSH has taken funding from a Dictator , Criminal, etc.? If there was a Freedom of Information request asking for the names of ALL donators and there were names and associations that perhaps were by far worse than the Presidents Club donation would GOSH stand by it's principle and hand the money back? If not, why not."

GOSH has quite possibly happily taken proceeds from some donors a lot of people would get their knickers in a twist over on another day I have no doubt.

Perhaps the old ones are the rich ones?

They must have provided blindfolds too as no-one saw anything.

Wonder if the next goal by the PC brigade will be to make prostution illegal

It was a most interesting discussion Gillybob.

Two feminists disagreeing on a woman's right to choose where she works.

I never watch darts but seems at darts matches girls are involved rather similar to girls at car exhibitions, this will now be stopped so those girls will lose their jobs .

I am curious how some here know the ages of all the men st that charity event , did they have to be of a certain age to attended , I assume as they are being called old men they were all approx 80 years of age ?

In 2016/17 they raised £101.8m which is wonderful.

Obviously if you knew that the money came from a dubious source which could be illegal it should be refused but did they honestly have no idea that the money they were receiving over a number of years was from a somewhat sleazy charity auction?
And why have they not spent it? How much is in the charity fund which could be spent for the benefit of children and their families?

Yes you’re spot on Jalima Moral superiority . It’s so easy for those with plenty living their charmed life to go all moral isn’t it.

Yes they are being too self righteous Jalima . As you said, do they question /investigate the source of every single donation or is it just fashionable to be disgusted ?

Why should any woman make another one feel bad about what they choose to do to make money ?
Moral superiority?

I think GOSH were wrong to return donations that were given in good faith . I wonder how many of their people were at the event ?