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The President's Club Annual Gala - "Men Behaving Badly"

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TerriBull Thu 25-Jan-18 09:55:46

I expect this is going to divide opinion, but what's your take on the Men Only charity event that's all over the news. However, for those not familiar, a bevy of young women, many of them students, were recruited through an agency for this event, they had to be slim and good looking they were told to wear sexy shoes and black underwear to go under the very skimpy dresses provided.They also had to sign a five page disclaimer, which they didn't get to read and weren't given a copy of. A couple of female undercover FT journalists were also amoung these young women and testified to appalling behaviour by SOME of the male guests. To give a flavour of the offers guests were asked to bid for "Plastic surgery to spice up the Mrs" hmm Jess Phillips gave a very good speech in Parliament imo saying these young women who were expected to act as hostesses "were merely bait" Personally I find it sickening that the guise of charity is used as a way to negate the bad behaviour in this sort of evening. I believe some of the high profile charities such as GOSH have told the now defunct Presidents' Club, where to stick their money.

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 20:55:46

Could it be they had lots of tips? It does seem low pay for London and for a hostess, I remember a Bunny Girl saying they made a lot of money from tips.

Bridgeit Thu 01-Feb-18 21:04:34

Well let’s hope so, for them especially and for us, we’ve all been battling away on here about the rights & wrongs & we don’t even know if they were paid well for their efforts.?

trisher Thu 01-Feb-18 21:09:27

Scarcely even £15 per hour-^For those who met the three specific selection criteria (“tall, thin and pretty”) a job paying £150, plus £25 for a taxi home, began at 4pm^
As it didn't finish until the early hours, probably at least a 10 -12 hour shift. No breaks because it's contract work. I wonderr what you might be expected to do if you wanted a tip? (Bunny girls I seem to remember were untouchable, men who tried got warned off)

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 21:13:19

Men were warned off? They use to place money notes between the girls boobs

MissAdventure Thu 01-Feb-18 21:15:40

I don't class tall, thin and pretty as a huge skill set.

Bridgeit Thu 01-Feb-18 21:19:40

I guess if you don’t think about the hours, the lump sum sounds ok , I just hope they enjoyed some aspects of it ,especially if they managed to despise some of the sad old munters!

trisher Thu 01-Feb-18 21:37:25

The rues for Bunnies were very strict Annie
At all Clubs, except New York Club (and Atlanta regarding #2) Bunnies may:
have their pictures taken with patrons, provided there is no physical contact whatsoever;
dance with patrons at the feature dance party, provided there is no close physical contact, (twist, watusi, bugaloo, etc., are examples of acceptable dances).
The rule against mingling prohibits dating, any physical contact, fraternizing or socializing with patrons or guests. Again, any violation of this rule will be grounds for immediate dismissal
The girls kept their money in the front of their costumes- there was nowhere else.

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 21:43:19

And rules are always strictly adhered to? Notes were put into their cleavage

durhamjen Thu 01-Feb-18 22:08:14

My brother isn't a music teacher either, Annie.

durhamjen Thu 01-Feb-18 22:10:11

Would you like your granddaughter to be told to have a glass of bubbly, then rip her knickers off and dance on the table in that uniform, all for just more than the London living wage?

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 22:15:27

Shall we get back to the main point of all this?

I do not approve of girls being groped but I think it wrong for feminists to try to stop girls doing this work if they choose to do it. There is no battle against prostitution yet many of these women suffer sickening abuse , I wish they didn't work the streets but it is their right if they choose to.

All this talk condeming the men has only led to girls losing their jobs, I see the girls far more victims of feminists than men.

durhamjen Thu 01-Feb-18 22:21:07

Good heavens, and there you are talking about the history of the Labour party every chance you get.
I suppose you are not aware that it's the centenary of women getting the vote this year, are you?
I think you'll find that a lot of men agree with these women not being treated like that, not just feminists. I can hear the sneer as you say that word, Annie.

Anniebach Thu 01-Feb-18 22:30:24

Dj your magical gifts amaze me, you know what I think now you claim you can hear me, may I suggest a chat with your G.P, ?

MissAdventure Thu 01-Feb-18 22:31:14

grin

durhamjen Thu 01-Feb-18 22:31:20

"Carolyn Fairbairn, director-general of business group the CBI, said: “If even half of what’s been written about this event is true, it is deplorable and confirms how far we have still to go to stamp out sexual harassment.

"We want all women to feel confident and respected in every walk of life. We can, and must do better than this.” "

I agree with this.

gillybob Thu 01-Feb-18 22:31:25

£15 an hour? Who gets that ? Not me that’s for sure and not my DS or DD for slogging away in the real world.

durhamjen Thu 01-Feb-18 22:32:52

You create your own pay, though, gillybob.

MissAdventure Thu 01-Feb-18 22:50:14

Are we saying they should have been paid more for doing a job that they should never have been doing in the first place? Would that have made it better, somehow?

durhamjen Thu 01-Feb-18 23:04:47

"Oooops, my error , your brother in law earned his living in a supermarket, well I compliment him dj"

So, Annie, you compliment my brother in law for working in a supermarket, and presumably my nephew as well, but did not think it fair that these women should work in supermarkets?

"Not every girl leaves school with A'levels , some with one or two GCSE's, what should they do? Serve in shops to the proffesional women? Clean their houses? stack supermarket shelves , yes all respectable jobs, but is it fair ?"

Are you really saying they would be better off working as hostesses at dinners like that?

Anniebach Fri 02-Feb-18 04:34:41

good grief, it isn't for me to dictate what employment another woman chooses, and it isn't for you dj, if these girls choose to work as hostesses rather than shelf stacking their choice, not mine and not yours .

carry on with your obsession to dictate , your hysteria needs treating

gillybob Fri 02-Feb-18 08:04:06

Of course I don’t “create my own pay” dj
What a silly comment .
And nether do my son or daughter and neither of them get £15 an hour !

durhamjen Fri 02-Feb-18 08:52:15

So who decides what pay you get as a business?

durhamjen Fri 02-Feb-18 08:55:52

You don't live in London, either.
You could get £15 an hour if you decided to be a hostess, and be treated like these women, told to get your knickers off, and dance on the table in front of a roomful of men.
Some of these women could be shelfstackers as well, just adding to their poor wages.

Anniebach Fri 02-Feb-18 09:02:38

These woman need you dj to tell them how you think they should live their lives , I suggest a banner and leaflets and you trot to the agency , stand outside and leap on these women as they enter and exit the Agency and tell them you disapprove of their choice of employment , ask their qualifications and advise what jobs they should apply for.

Good luck.

gillybob Fri 02-Feb-18 09:09:26

I don’t think they hire 56 year old, ugly misery guts women though do they ?

Or else I would apply . I would wear the skimpy clothes too if required but definitely wouldn’t get tips ! wink